“We have to make the issue of gender equality discussable,” says journalist Joanne Lipman. Which is what she’s done in her fascinating, well-researched, and even enjoyable book, That’s What She Said. Lipman joins Will Cole and Seamus Mullen to dissect the double standards men and women face at the office and throughout their careers and lives—many of these biases are unconscious and surprising. She shares insights from cultures and organizations that are making meaningful headway, along with actionable steps and strategies for becoming aware of our own biases, growing the courage to step up, and supporting men and women to close the gender gap. (For more, see the goopfellas podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices