Jere Simpson is an entrepreneur with a beautiful rags-to-riches story. He's known for his prophetic vision in tech, having built landmark companies in SaaS, mobile and cybersecurity and worked with the CIA, FBI, NSA and Pentagon. He's been recognized by Forbes Magazine as "one of the top minds in tech" and by Entrepreneur as "one of the best entrepreneurs in the world". Now he's turning his sights on AI with his company AtlasUP.

In this conversation, we dive deep into AI, what we can expect from it, how we change our attitudes toward it and work to ensure it doesn't become an apocalyptic nightmare. And we stumble upon two of the most terrifying conclusions about artificial intelligence I've ever considered. But we end on a very optimistic note about how to make this a beautiful life.

28:00 - deep wisdom from Alan Shore (James Spader) that leads to the scariest realization I've had about AI.

32:00 - a surprisingly thoughtful insight from an AI model.

35:00 - post-scarcity world and the age of abundance.

38:00 - marketing and deception

41:00 - the 6 people who can end everything

45:00 - Sam Altman, Elon Musk and politicians

49:00 - if we can't figure shit out over psychedelics, how are we going to do it over AI?

53:00 - the magic of human machinery