In this episode Christine speaks to Sara from The Shareholder Commons, a non-profit organisation dedicated to redesigning the creative engine of market capitalism.

In this episode we hear:

• How maximising your returns is still the goal, even when it comes to ESG.
• Why investment portfolios need to operate more like families.
• Why we can’t just take individual companies to task + the whole system needs an overhaul.
• How companies are just changing the rules instead of changing their behaviour.
• And why divestment is a ‘comfortable mirage’.