What is it to be a man in the current workplace? The discussion around men, and the part that masculinity and masculine gender roles play in Leadership is one that is often approached with some degree of trepidation.

In this second part of a two part episode, Phil, guest Jindy Mann (founder of the organisation: Leader, Brother, Son) and co-host Toby Erith, continue to explore this topic openly. Together the trio discuss the idea of the 'Default Man' and how this is being challenged in the modern workplace, what masculinity means to each of them personally and the possible place for masculine energy in leadership.

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Producer: James Court