Don Norman and David Brin discuss everything from the early days of AI, how feudalism and the male reproductive urge affect our technological drive for innovation, optimism vs pessimism with technology over time, fostering AI-empowered robot children, and how reciprocal accountability among AI might save us all. Author of many books including "The Design of Everyday Things", researcher, professor, and director of The Design Lab at UC San Deigo Don Norman, as well as scientist, speaker, technical consultant, NASA consultant, and award-winning author of books like "The Postman" David Brin join us for our first TechDirty2Me episode to discuss tech and society.

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