In this episode Eric and special guest host Jane Halonen (University of West Florida) interview Kenn Barron from James Madison University in Harrisonburg, VA. Our thanks to STP for the opportunity to record this interview at the Annual Conference for Teaching in Portland (October 2023). Kenn shares his background growing up in Delaware and the educational influences of his mother and father.  He is deeply reflective, whether he is mapping out his career goals and trajectory or considering the three worlds of science (and validity, too). Jane was the chair at JMU when Kenn was hired a quarter-century ago, and Jane proved to be an important mentor in his life. There is a brief conversation about the introductory psychology chapter Eric never teaches, a chat about motivational theory, and much more.