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In this captivating episode of R2DSO hosts Ken and Mike embark on an exploration of security automation in the realms of application and cloud security. With a a keen understanding of the pitfalls, they emphasize the need for precision, consistency, and repeatability. Stepping beyond the traditional confines of scanning, and automation techniques destined for failure, they offer insightful analogies and practical advice, empowering listeners to harness the true power of secure automation. Join this engaging conversation tailored for technical application security enthusiasts and discover the keys to unlock a new era of efficiency and effectiveness.