“What can people do about the fact that things are so tense with their families, especially when it comes to politics?” This is one of the pressing questions that Russell Moore poses to Jon Ward, Chief National Correspondent for Yahoo News. A long-time political reporter, Ward acutely perceives the relationship between religion and politics in America. His new book, Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Failed a Generation chronicles Ward’s upbringing in, and eventual separation from, a well-known church that emerged at the intersection of Pentecostalism, the church growth movement, the Jesus Movement, and the New Calvinism.  On this episode, Ward and Moore talk about what it’s like to look back on the church experiences of their earlier years and notice the political manifestations they hadn’t seen as young people. They talk about the ways various evangelical movements engaged society, the role of social media, and whether or not institutionalism is the answer to cultural problems. And they talk about what it looks like to maintain meaningful connections with family members when political differences threaten to break relationships.  Tune in for a conversation that is full of heartfelt honesty and thoughtful insight not only into the state of American faith and politics today, but how we got here.   Resources mentioned in this episode include: Camelot’s End by Jon Ward Testimony by Jon Ward Untrustworthy by Bonnie Kristian Axios 2023 Asbury Revival Timothy George “Development of the Spiritual Harm and Abuse Scale” by Dan Koch “The Toronto Blessing”    Click here for a trial membership at Christianity Today. “The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today   Executive Producers: Erik Petrik, Russell Moore, and Mike Cosper   Host: Russell Moore   Producer: Ashley Hales   Associate Producers: Abby Perry and Azurae Phelps   CT Administration: Christine Kolb   Social Media: Kate Lucky   Director of Operations for CT Media: Matt Stevens   Production Assistance: coreMEDIA  Audio Engineer: Kevin Duthu   Coordinator: Beth Grabenkort   Video Producer: John Roland   Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices