Welcome to Clearing The Haze –Making the invisible visible, a podcast show that discusses topics that are usually invisible or just hazy. Hosted by Shachi Irde.

Shachi wears many hats and is passionate about inclusion. She is an industry recognized speaker on Diversity, Equity and Inclusion and women in the workplace related topics. She has been recognized by numerous industry forums and has been recipient of “Iconic woman in leadership” award by All Women Economic Forum.

In our episode today we will explore the arena of paid and unpaid work and joining me in this discussion are our two esteemed guests Rushil Palavjjhala and Renu Pokharna.

Rushil is theCo-founder and CEO of Bandhu. Bandhu is an impact-tech start-up that enables low income workers to make data-driven migration decisions and thereby enriches their livelihoods. Rushil holds a Master’s degree Urban/City Planning from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, wherein he focused on Finance and Tech for Urban Development in the Global South. He received a Fulbright Scholarship for the same. Rushil also holds a Bachelors in Architecture and has worked extensively on affordable housing and large urban projects in India and abroad."

Renu runs The Ahmedabad Project – a think tank that works on civic engagement and labour reforms. She has a decade long experience working in public policy and development across India, Africa and the USA. Her stints including serving as a Chief Minister’s Fellow with the Government of Gujarat and working in Uganda, Africa with an educational start up. With a degree in public policy from Columbia University, she has also been published in Wall Street Journal and other national newspapers. Her interests include yoga and travel, she has done solo trips across 5 out of 7 continents so far.

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Podcast Summary: Relationship between Work, Power Structures and Inclusion

Host: Shachi Irde

00:00: Introduction

00:40: About Rushil and his work.

02:52: About Renu and her work.

05:32: How do you define unpaid work?

09:24: Can you throw some light on the impact of emotional labor on the woman?

13:34: Do only women do unpaid work?

17:49: When does care giving and empathy become unpaid work?

21:44: What can we do to ensure both receive similar appreciation, fame and money for similar work done?

27:47: Conclusion.

28:16: Outro.

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For this episode, we would like to thank:

- Our guests
-  The French Embassy, the French Institute and the Alliance Française Network in India for producing the show
and, special thanks to Hemant Soreng and his team for their advice and technical support.

Please do subscribe and review the show in various podcasting platforms and in the website afindia.org/podcast. Listen in to the voices that are often invisible but powerful enough to clear the haze.

Disclaimer: The views, experiences and opinions expressed in this podcast are personal views of the participating speakers and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the French Embassy or its cooperation network in India.