Coming up in this episode * We do a little upgrade * Firefox fixes a tooltip * The History of W, V, X and CDE * How it went * And a new old desktop to explore 0:00 Cold Open 1:42 Lemmy's Upgraded! 10:56 A 22 Year Old Bug 15:50 Install Firefox Correctly 22:22 CDE History: Intro 24:04 CDE History: X 27:33 CDE History: OPEN LOOK 29:25 CDE History: COSE 31:28 CDE History: CDE & Others 34:24 CDE History: The Opening 36:14 CDE History: The Releases 43:02 How'd CDE Go? 1:16:00 Next Time 1:21:29 Stinger Watch the video! (https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q) https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q Banter The LUS Lemmy instance (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) got an update (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/releases/tag/1.2.0). The ansible repo switched to tagged releases. There were ⚠️breaking changes⚠️ that needed to be prepared for (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/blob/main/README.md#upgrading). One of the issues Dan had is likely fixed now. (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/commit/300a261b2a346dd6489f5eb43d6af632633f4059) The Bug (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/22-year-old-firefox-tooltip-bug-fixed-in-a-few-lines-offering-hope-to-us-all/) that's old enough to drink and drive, but hopefully not at the same time! Dan installed Firefox (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-from-mozilla-builds) from the .tar.gz download. Spoiler - it updates just fine because my user is the owner in the /opt directory. Announcements This program was made possible by: * The letters W, V, X, C, D and E * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 The History of The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/) The Andrew Project (https://web.archive.org/web/20120717074939/http://www.cmu.edu/corporate/news/2007/features/andrew/what_is_andrew.shtml) W was a windowing system that was originally written for the V operating system (https://web.archive.org/web/20040522163027/http://eia.udg.es/~teo/sd/documents/articles/p314-cheriton.pdf). In 1984, Robert Scheifler wrote (https://www.talisman.org/x-debut.shtml). X is our “reaction” to W (https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/22949.24053) Ultrix Window Manager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix_Window_Manager), or uwm Tom's Window Manager, which eventually became Tab Window Manager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm), or twm Open Look Specification (https://archive.org/details/openlookgraphica00sunm) The OSF narrows the search for a User Interface (https://books.google.com/books?id=szsEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=open%20look&f=false). HP (https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Company-Publications/HP-Journal/90s/HPJ-1990-06.pdf) and Microsoft's CXI and DEC's XUI to create the HP OSF/Motif Window Manager. Sun went on to build OpenWindows (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWindows), which was X with OPEN LOOK on top to replace SunView (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunView). COSE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Open_Software_Environment) In 1994, The OSF and Unix International, a body meant to standardize UNIX, merged (https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.osf.misc/c/Q2uTrTvB8bY/m/8SMI8V-JvE4J), and in 96, merged again (https://www.tech-insider.org/unix/research/1996/0214.html) with X/Open into The Open Group. Motif and CDE became one (https://groups.google.com/g/cu.motif-talk/c/xMQ-2cBi9bU/m/_VTikcvANZkJ) KDE enters the scene (https://groups.google.com/g/de.comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ). May of 2000 when Motif was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20131003125200/https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.windows.x.announce/K2LrU6QusnA/5fRzz-NBIrAJ) as OpenMotif. LessTif, because Less is Mo, published an initial statement (https://web.archive.org/web/20000619030034/http://www.lesstif.org/future.html) August 6th, 2012, CDE was relicensed (https://web.archive.org/web/20121124230739/http://devio.us/~kpedersen/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1293) under the LGPL and was available on SourceForge, where it still lives today. After opening it up, 2.2.1 was released on March 1st, 2014 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/32043063/). The final release, at least as of this recording, 2.5.1 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/37715846/), dropped in October of 2022. 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Our next history exploration is the Xfce Desktop Environment (https://xfce.org/) Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias