This week, Vanessa and Matt explore the theme of Charisma in Chapter Fifteen of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! They discuss Umbridge's selective appeal, Mcgonagall's confidence, and Harry's reluctance towards leading the DA. Throughout the episode we consider the question: when is charisma an authentic way of forming meaningful connection?

Thank you to Shana for this week’s voicemail! Next week we're reading Chapter 16, The Hog's Head, through the theme of Satisfaction, with Casper.

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