Living Well with Multiple Sclerosis

Overcoming MS

Welcome to the Overcoming MS | Living Well with MS podcast. Our family of podcasts includes our flagship, Living Well with MS, where In each episode, your host Geoff Allix will explore a different aspect of the OMS Program in greater depth. Other programs in our podcast family include Coffee Break featuring interviews with members of our diverse global community, and Ask Jack, featuring professional chef Jack McNulty answers food- and cooking-related questions. New episodes will be published approximately once every 10 days, and will feature interviews with scientists, fitness specialists, diet experts, stress reduction professionals and OMSers themselves. The podcast will also feature inspirational, real-life stories from people with multiple sclerosis about the daily challenges and small victories of successful lifestyle modification. read less

Ask Jack - Dining Out at Restaurants | S5E9
15-03-2023
Ask Jack - Dining Out at Restaurants | S5E9
Welcome to Season 5 of Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode we are pleased to welcome professional cook and writer, Jack McNulty as our guest! You can submit your questions for Jack anytime by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Jack’s bio. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with multiple sclerosis. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. Bio Jack’s career Jack McNulty has been involved in food and cooking most of his life. He’s walked many paths during his culinary journey, including transforming himself from an interested home cook to a professional chef with classical training. He has worked for talented and knowledgeable chefs in high-end restaurants in Switzerland, Italy, and France. Jack operated his own catering business and cooking school for 15 years, while also finding time to write about cooking. Jack’s current activities include operating myfreshattitude.com – a website dedicated to providing healthy vegan recipes and useful vegan cooking instruction and techniques. He also writes and distributes a weekly international newsletter – VeganWeekly – to inspire people to cook healthy vegan food. Jack and Overcoming MS Jack has followed the Overcoming MS lifestyle since 2009. He has actively worked on providing recipes and information to the Overcoming MS website, was the contributing editor to the Overcoming MS Cookbook, and authored the ‘Eat Well’ chapter in the latest Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis Handbook.   Key Takeaways The Overcoming MS diet will help manage inflammation “If you look at it just purely on the dietary portion of the Overcoming MS program, if you follow the guidelines, it gives you a good chance of - over time - getting back to some sort of base level. And that may take somewhere between five and seven years for a lot of people. I know it did for me, it was around seven years before all my symptoms just vanished. The goal is to promote health in your body. So, [if] you want to decrease inflammation, you want to ingest foods that are going to play a role in decreasing inflammation.” It’s helpful to research restaurant menus ahead of dining out “If I'm going to a place I've not been, I turn to the internet first to see if there is a menu online. Maybe by looking online, you're just already going to say, ‘well there's only one thing I can have on this menu’ and that might not be good enough. But it's also possible that there are some possibilities here and you have some questions already in mind before you even get to the restaurant that you could ask the server.” Don’t stress if you eat something by accident/not by choice when eating out “Over the years, having an experience like that [eating something by accident/not by choice when eating out] is not going to have a huge impact. Now, having said that, I think it's probably not a good idea to just say, well, it's accepted because Jack just said so. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that sometimes those things come up and it's better to just not stress about them and then just go ahead and enjoy it and move on. And next day, be twice as healthy.” Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. Related Links:  Read  the Overcoming MS HandbookDownload the Overcoming MS Chef cardsListen to previous “Ask Jack” episodes S3E34, S3E35, S3E38, S3E41, E3E48, S4E51, S4E53, S4E65 Don’t miss out:  Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Support us: If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Family friendly Foods with Sam Josephs Webinar highlights | S5E8
08-03-2023
Family friendly Foods with Sam Josephs Webinar highlights | S5E8
Welcome to Season 5 of Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode, we are sharing the highlights from our ‘Family friendly Foods’ webinar with Nutritional Therapist Sam Josephs. In this episode, Sam shares how to incorporate easy, family-friendly Overcoming MS recipe ideas into your everyday life and social gatherings. This webinar was recorded in June 2022 as part of our Finding Hope with Overcoming MS webinar series. You can watch the whole webinar here or the podcast highlights on YouTube here. Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Sam’s bio.  Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with multiple sclerosis. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. Bio: Sam Josephs believes passionately in diet and lifestyle intervention as a powerful preventative approach to all chronic health conditions, including MS.  Sam’s qualifications and career Since graduating from BCNH (UK College of Nutrition and Health) in 2008, Sam has been working in her North London clinic seeing clients on a 1-2-1 basis. She has also worked as a pastoral and clinical tutor for BCNH, and appears annually as a guest lecturer at both BCNH and the Institute of Optimum Nutrition, training upcoming nutritional therapy students in a variety of conditions, including MS. She has presented to many MS support groups, was an expert panelist at the MSLife Expo in 2016 and has worked as a retreat facilitator for Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis. She is a fully qualified Nutritional Therapist, a full member of the British Association for Nutrition and Lifestyle Medicine (BANT) and is also registered with the Complementary and Natural Healthcare Council (CNHC) – the only register for Nutritional Therapy recognized by the Department of Health. Sam’s personal life Her husband was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in 2002 which has shaped the direction of Sam’s career and gives her the compassion and unique hands-on knowledge to support so many others with the condition. Above all else, Sam enjoys nothing more than a trip to the Farmer’s Market, or a good greengrocer and is a keen and experimental cook for her family and friends. Key Takeaways: Making your own veggie burgers is easier than you think “A lot of store-bought meat substitutes contain a long list of ingredients or the cheap oils like palm oil. But they are pretty easy to make yourself. Essentially all you're doing is rinsing a can of beans, adding some dried oats, or some leftover cooked rice from the day before, or a chunk of bread which you can toast if it's maybe a bit stale and blitz it up into breadcrumbs. Maybe add an egg white, and then just put loads of herbs and seasonings and flavors in it. And if you just mix it all up together in a blender, then it will make some really nice patties.” Healthy snack dips are easy and delicious   “Dips are a great thing to have in the fridge for sandwich breads, picnics, but also when the kids get home from school. Rather than KitKats and crisps, they could just grab a carrot and stick it into a nice dip. It's essentially just using a dollop of soy yogurt, either blended up with a tin of fish (smoked mackerel works really well) or a tin of beans and blitz it all up together with a handheld mixer, and presto, it's a dip!” Children take family eating habits with them into adulthood “If we make those changes, and we set them in stone at home in the family, when the kids grow up and live alone, and go off to college or get [their] first job, [they’ll take those healthy habits with them.] So switch things like white bread to brown, try to switch white rice to brown or whole grain cereals, switch out from something like Frosties every day, to having porridge once a week, or a nice muesli once a week, just changing the routine [can make a difference for them].” Related Links:  Listen to Sam’s previous episodes of Living Well with MS:  o   S1 Episode 3: The OMS Diet in a Nutshell (Part 1) o   S1 Episode 4: The OMS Diet in a Nutshell (Part 2) Watch the original Webinar recording here   Don’t miss out:    Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. Support us If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
The Art and Science of Fasting with Steve Hendricks | S5E7
01-03-2023
The Art and Science of Fasting with Steve Hendricks | S5E7
Welcome to Season 5 of Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode we are pleased to welcome Steve Hendricks, the author of The Oldest Cure in the World: Adventures in the Art and Science of Fasting as our guest!   Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Steve's bio.  Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS.  Content Warning: This episode mentions a study involving data on attempted suicide. If you are having thoughts of self-harm, please reach out to someone. Find a list of hotlines here. Overcoming MS has a mental health hub with resources for managing anxiety, uncertainty and stress.   Bio:  Steve’s career: Steve Hendricks is a freelance reporter and the author of the new book The Oldest Cure in the World: Adventures in the Art and Science of Fasting. He’s also the author of two previous books, one of which, The Unquiet Grave: The FBI and the Struggle for the Soul of Indian Country, made several best-of-the-year lists. He has a website with information about his books and an extensive list of FAQs about fasting.  Steve's personal life:He lives in Boulder, Colorado (USA), with his wife – a  professor of family law – and  his dog, a border collie cross.     Key Takeaways:   A longer daily fasting period helps our body make repairs and reduce leaky gut syndrome  13:38 “The longer we give our bodies each night to do all this work, the better it does them. If we narrow our fasting window too much, our body will not be able to make these repairs. Chronobiologists biologists, who study the timing of our bodies, think that it's highly likely that our long eating windows and narrow fasting windows each night are one of the contributors, in addition to our cr@ppy diet, to leaky gut syndrome.”    Clinical observations have shown fasting can improve many conditions, including MS!  24:36 “We have more than a century of clinical observations from fasting doctors, across multiple generations [and] multiple countries, (mostly in the US, Germany, Russia) who report very credibly many cases of reversals of cardiovascular disease through prolonged fasting. I'm talking fasting for a week, two weeks, sometimes up to 30-40 days, depending upon the condition. Cardiovascular disease, type two diabetes, skin diseases like psoriasis and eczema and acne, asthma, allergies. It's a very long list. Fasting doctors routinely report that prolonged fasting is good for autoimmune diseases.”    Research into the benefits of fasting for people with MS is very promising  50:00 “Valter Longo found that fast mimicking diet cycles not only prevented the demyelination and damage to the axons in mice – which  are the parts of the nerve that conduct impulses – but  also began to remyelinate some of the stripped off myelination on those same parts of the nerves. In consequence, the mice did better on motor tests, they did better on mental tests. And here's the sleeper headline: 20% of these mice appear to have been cured. All their symptoms were gone. So, a pretty moderate amount of fasting cures MS in mice.”   To hear our latest tips and news about living a full and healthy life with MS, make sure you sign up to our newsletter   Related Links:   Visit Steve Hendricks’ website SteveHendricks.org   Buy ‘The Oldest Cure in the World’ from Bookshop.org or Hive.co.uk Read Steve’s article ‘Starving Your Way to Vigor’ in Harper’s Magazine on fasting here: https://harpers.org/archive/2012/03/starving-your-way-to-vigor/ Find out more about Michael Mosely’s 5:2 diet: https://thefastdiet.co.uk/ Read the Buchinger Wilhelmi fasting clinic interview with Francois Wilhelmi de Toledo here: https://www.buchinger-wilhelmi.com/en/interview-winterson-and-francoise-wilhelmi-de-toledo/ Listen to Valter Longo on Living Well with MS here: https://overcomingms.org/resource/podcast/s2-episode-15   Don’t miss out:    Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org.   Support us:    If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Over a decade of Overcoming MS with Renee Coffey | S5E6
15-02-2023
Over a decade of Overcoming MS with Renee Coffey | S5E6
Welcome to Season 5 of Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode, we are pleased to welcome Renee Coffey as our guest. Renee has been following the Overcoming MS Program for over 10 years. She talks about her Overcoming MS journey, her story that was published in the ‘Overcoming MS Handbook’, and her advice to those just starting out on the Program.   Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Renee’s bio.  Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with multiple sclerosis. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS.  Bio:   Renee started on her Overcoming MS journey shortly after her first MS episode in 2011 so has been following the Overcoming MS program for over 10 years.   Renee’s career and personal life In her day job, Renee works full-time as the Deputy CEO of the Australian Indigenous Education Foundation, a role and cause she cares deeply about. Renee is mum to two boys, aged 7 and 9 and gets to share two older children with her partner Jason - wonderful young women aged 20 and 21.  Renee’s lesions have disappeared and/or shrunk Three years ago, following a routine MRI, Renee was told there was no disease progression. Also, one of the lesions on her spine had disappeared, and one had shrunk to just millimetres. Last year, Renee received the great news. Not only is there no new disease activity, but now the two lesions in her brain have disappeared as well.   Renee’s passion for Overcoming MS Renee is passionate about her Overcoming MS journey and credits her good health and so much of the richness she experiences in her life to the Overcoming MS program and community.  Key Takeaways:   MS Symptoms are varied and sometimes confusing, mimicking other conditions “The itching was across one of those bands around my torso, on one side. My GP clued up on to that pretty quickly. Once he tried a few things, and that didn't work, he actually gave me a referral to a neurologist, which for me was quite surprising because I thought I had been bitten by a spider. Then, I started thinking maybe I had shingles or something like that. As far as I knew, a neurologist was just for your brain, so I was thinking, ‘hang on a second, that seems like an odd referral.’ But I googled the neurologist and he was a specialist in MS.”  Following the Overcoming MS Program will improve your overall health and wellbeing “The Overcoming MS program has brought so much more to me than the absence of decline. I actually think it has brought a lot of richness to me, by way of just changing my outlook on my health and my wellbeing and putting that at the front and centre of what I do. I am definitely a much healthier person now, in a holistic sense, than I was before my diagnosis. I love the way I eat. If you told me tomorrow that I could take a magic pill and you'll cure my MS, I would not be running straight to a cheese platter or digging into a steak. I couldn't think of anything worse.”  Renee hiked part of the Camino de Santiago (an ancient Pilgrim route through Europe) with her family “If you had told me 10-plus years ago that I was even going to want a hike 215 kilometres, I wouldn't have believed you. But I think that's part of this change. I never played team sports before my MS diagnosis, I never had any level of fitness or any interest in any kind of fitness activity or outdoor activities. And so that's all come from this much healthier view on holistic health.”  To hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS, like Renee has done, make sure you sign up to our newsletter   Related Links:  Read the Overcoming MS Handbook  Read more about how to prevent MS in family members You can hike part of the Camino de Santiago while fundraising for Overcoming MS   Don’t miss out:  Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org.  Support us:  If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Webinar highlights from Ask Aaron with Dr. Aaron Boster  | S5E5
08-02-2023
Webinar highlights from Ask Aaron with Dr. Aaron Boster | S5E5
Welcome to Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode, we are sharing the highlights from one of our ‘Ask Aaron’ webinars, where neurologist, Dr. Aaron Boster, answers questions about MS from the community. Dr. Boster covers a range of fascinating topics such as fasting, menopause and gut health.  This webinar was recorded in March 2022 as part of our Finding Hope with Overcoming MS webinar series. You can watch the whole webinar here or the podcast highlights on YouTube here.  Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Dr Boster’s bio. Keep in touch: Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS.    Dr. Aaron Boster’s Bio:   Dr. Aaron Boster is an award-winning, widely published, and board-certified neurologist specialising in multiple sclerosis (MS) and related CNS inflammatory disorders. He currently serves as the Director of the Neuroscience Infusion Center at OhioHealth.   Why Dr. Boster chose to become a specialist in MS  Witnessing his uncle’s diagnosis with MS when he was 12, he and his family came to see a lack of coherence in the way MS was treated at the time. That experience informed Dr. Boster’s drive to do things differently.   Dr. Boster’s career   At OhioHealth, he spearheads a revolutionary model in MS treatment and patient care drawing on interdisciplinary resources and putting patients and families first. Dr. Boster is also an Adjunct Assistant Professor of Neurology at Ohio University Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine, and a former Assistant Professor of Neurology at The Ohio State University, where he also formerly headed the Neuroimmunology division.   Dr. Boster has been intimately involved in the care of people impacted by MS; he has been a principal investigator in numerous clinical trials, trained multiple MS doctors and nurse practitioners, and has been published extensively in medical journals. He lectures to both patients and providers worldwide with a mission to educate, energise and empower people impacted by MS.   Dr. Boster’s education and personal life  Dr. Boster grew up in Columbus, Ohio and attended undergraduate at Oberlin College. He earned his MD at the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine and completed an internship in Internal Medicine and Residency in Neurology at the University of Michigan, followed by a two-year fellowship in Clinical Neuroimmunology at Wayne State University.   He lives in Columbus, Ohio with his wife, Krissy, son Maxwell, and daughter Betty Mae.    Selected Key Takeaways: Embracing exercise is an important step to improve outcomes for MS “I would encourage the entire family to embrace exercise, when it's nice outside, you go for a walk and kayaking and canoeing and what have you. We have excellent data that people impacted by MS who exercise as part of their lifestyle end up less disabled at the end of their life as compared to they didn't. And so we want to help instil those important, very, very important behaviours in a young person as early as possible.”  Intermittent Fasting is recommended and is safe for MS  “Within the last year, I've become very interested in not just what PwMS eat, but when they eat. When they eat turns out to matter. It's my opinion that intermittent fasting specifically is a bio-hack, not just for people impacted by MS,but for [all] humans. And it's my opinion that intermittent fasting is very safe in the setting of MS.”   What to consider when thinking about alternative medicine  “When someone wants to consider alternative medicine, which I will define as something that I was not taught in medical school, it doesn't make it good or bad. It just means I wasn't taught about it. An example might be acupuncture. I was not trained in acupuncture, which doesn't mean it's not real. It just means I don't know much about it. So, when I'm presented with something that is alternative, then I'm okay with it as long as three rules are met. The first one is it can't be too expensive. ... The second thing is it can't be dangerous. ... And [the] third is it can't be instead of something that I know works.”   Related Links:  Dr. Boster was on three previous Living Well with MS episodes: S1E11: Making the Right Medication Choices  S2E17: Lifestyle Choices and their Impact on MS   S3E43: Let’s Talk About Sex (and MS) Check out Dr. Boster’s popular YouTube channel covering all aspects of MS.    Don’t miss out:   Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by  emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS.    Support us:  If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
MS Advocacy and Accessible Fashion with Roxy Murray | S5E4
01-02-2023
MS Advocacy and Accessible Fashion with Roxy Murray | S5E4
Welcome to Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode, Geoff meets MS and disability activist, Roxy Murray.  Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and bio. You can also watch this episode on our YouTube channel here. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. Roxy Murray’s bio: If you're keen on driving inclusivity, Roxy's story will be of interest to you. Roxy Murray (@multiplesclerosisfashionista) is a London (UK) based MS and disability, sex and body positivity and Queer activist. She is also a podcaster, voiceover artist, fashion stylist and the designer of sick and sickening (@sickandsickening) clothing, a brand created to celebrate disabled and invisible illness warriors. She focuses her attention on creating better representation, consideration and inclusion within the MS narrative for people of colour and the LGBTQIA Community. Roxy’s Social Media Through her social media, Roxy combines her love of fashion and art to empower others on their journey, whilst they navigate through life with a disability or invisible illness. She creates videos and Instagram content that celebrates and brings visibility to the beauty of the community with her hashtag #WeAreNotInvisible. She also focuses her attention on helping others take steps to release grief and openly talk about her own mental health battles. Roxy’s podcast She highlights real unfiltered stories and talks about taboo subjects like disabled joy, sexual empowerment and much more on her podcast (@sickandsickening_podcast). Selected Key Takeaways Accessible fashion is adaptable, so that it suits every body, every shape, and every person’s needs Sometimes that might be an adaptable sleeve, it might be magnetic fastening. Jewellery is a big one for me, I find it really hard to clip in the little clips around the neck. You can get ones [fastenings] that are just magnetic so it's easier to pull on and push off for someone that wants to be chic and fashionable and look good, but they want to be able to dress themselves. Then Barbara Met Allen is a new TV show chronicling the UK’s disability rights movement It's more inclusive it's more accessible and people that are disabled are being allowed to tell [their] own stories, which is really special. So, you have a story of when Barbara met Allen and together, after the disability rights generation movement in America, it came over here. They were looking for their own accessibility revolution. There’s no need to desexualize disabled bodies I'm a 34-year-old, unapologetic Aries. I'm going to stand up, be proud and look fabulous. I've literally walked a runway show with a mobility aid, and was like, “I'm going to wear underwear and be fabulous and show people we can be disabled and be sexual and be good and curious and gorgeous”. Related Links: Connect with Roxy on InstagramRoxy's podcast: Sick and Sickening on Apple PodcastsMyelin & Melanin podcast: myelinandmelanin.comAlinker walking bike: www.thealinker.com/Unhidden Clothing: unhiddenclothing.com/Watch 'Then Barbara Met Allen' on Netflix: www.netflix.com/gb/title/81406123The ADAMS study: app.mantal.co.uk/adamsListen to our podcast with Mitzi Joi Willams: S4 Episode 50Find out more about Dominic Shadbolt’s The MS Guide: dominicshadbolt.com/Watch Sex Education on Netflix: www.netflix.com/gb/title/80197526Hot Octopus adaptable sex toys: www.hotoctopuss.com/uk/en/Listen to our podcast with Aaron Boster on MS and Sex: S3 Episode 43Follow Dave Walsh: www.instagram.com/sitting_bull_ukFollow Yazzie: www.instagram.com/yazzietalks/MS Together www.mstogether.org/ Don’t miss out:  Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
In conversation with Associate Professor Michelle O’Donoghue |S5E3
25-01-2023
In conversation with Associate Professor Michelle O’Donoghue |S5E3
Welcome to Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode, we are pleased to welcome Dr Michelle O’Donoghue, OMSer (someone following the Overcoming MS Program) and co-editor of the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis Handbook, as our guest.  Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Michelle’s bio.   Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS.  Michelle’s bio:  Career  Dr Michelle O’Donoghue is an Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and a practicing physician in the Cardiovascular Division at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. She is the inaugural recipient of the McGillycuddy-Logue Distinguished Chair in Cardiology.   Dr O’Donoghue earned her medical degree at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons in New York City. She subsequently completed a Master’s in public health degree at the Harvard School of Public Health.   MS diagnosis and Overcoming MS  Dr O’Donoghue was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2010 and adopted the Overcoming MS Program (diet and lifestyle changes) shortly thereafter. She has lived free from clinical relapses since that time.  In 2022, Dr O’Donoghue, Professor George Jelinek and Associate Professor Sandra Neate published the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis Handbook that they co-edited together which provides an accessible overview of the Overcoming MS Program created by Professor Jelinek, including empowering community stories.   Selected Key Takeaways  Overcoming MS offers hope and a way to change the trajectory of MS   “I think that when people first get a diagnosis [of MS], they envision that it is a course towards progressive deterioration, and progressive symptoms, and then that course can't be modified. And so, for me, it was so exciting, and it gave me so much hope, to feel like there was some ability that I might have to change that trajectory and that's a big part of why I adopted the Overcoming MS plan.”  It can take time to come to terms with an MS diagnosis and it may take time to fully embrace the Overcoming MS program   “I came across Professor Jelinek's book about Overcoming MS and the first time that I read the book, it didn't initially resonate with me as much as it did when I picked it up several months later. When I look back, I think to myself, ‘why was it that I didn't initially embrace his suggestions?’ I think that there are many reasons for that. One of which was, I was still just in an initial denial in general about my diagnosis and I was going through the different phases of grief really to cope with that, and my initial reaction was denial.”  Following the Overcoming MS Program will improve your overall health   “Professor Jelinek appropriately emphasizes that all elements of the program are equally important. I try to remind myself of that on a regular basis. At the end of the day, I think that [for] anyone who's considering the Overcoming MS program, I would encourage them to recognise that it's a win-win. Following a predominantly whole food plant-based diet, adopting stress management strategies, and making sure that you deal with any mental struggles that you may have, face those demons. I think it leads you to a better place overall.”  Related Links:   Read the Overcoming MS Handbook: Roadmap to Good Health: https://overcomingms.org/overcoming-multiple-sclerosis-handbook-roadmap-good-health Read the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis book: https://overcomingms.org/resources/overcoming-multiple-sclerosis-book Find out more about Roy Swank’s research on a low saturated fat diet for people with MS https://overcomingms.org/latest/swanks-paper-looking-effect-low-saturated-fat-diet-ms Don’t miss out:   Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org.  Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS.  If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Webinar highlights from The Overcoming MS Handbook: Roadmap to Good Health | S5E2
18-01-2023
Webinar highlights from The Overcoming MS Handbook: Roadmap to Good Health | S5E2
Welcome to Living Well with MS, the Overcoming MS podcast where we explore all topics relating to living well with multiple sclerosis (MS). In this episode, we are taking you back to the launch of the ‘Overcoming MS Handbook: Roadmap to Good Health’ with Professor George Jelinek, Dr Jonathan White and Dr Phil Startin. Together they discussed how the new book was created, the highlights from the book and answered questions from the community. We were excited by the arrival of the new book, as it provides an engaging overview of the Overcoming MS Program combined with stories from the community. This webinar was recorded in February 2022 as part of our Finding Hope with Overcoming MS webinar series. You can watch the whole webinar here or the podcast highlights on YouTube here. Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and George, Jonathan and Phil’s bios. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with multiple sclerosis. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. Professor George Jelinek’s Bio Professor George Jelinek developed the Overcoming MS Program and founded the Neuroepidemiology Unit at the University of Melbourne's School of Population and Global Health which continues to research its benefits. George’s Story: When George was diagnosed with MS in 1999, he was determined to do something. His mother had died as a consequence of her MS, which spurred him on to sort through and assess the medical literature on MS. His career as a Professor in Emergency Medicine and his background as Editor-in-Chief of a major medical journal gave him the tools to do this. It became clear to George that remaining well after a diagnosis of MS is more than just a possibility. He found that with commitment to the right lifestyle changes, there is the real probability that many people with MS can live long, healthy lives, relatively free of the usual problems associated with the illness. These lifestyle recommendations are now referred to as the Overcoming MS Program, which he detailed in his book Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis. The new book in this podcast episode is a newly launched accessible overview of his findings. George has remained free of further relapses, as have many people who follow the Overcoming MS Program. Dr. Jonathan White’s Bio Career: Jonathan went to University of Glasgow Medical School, graduating in 2008 (MBChB). He completed a further five years of training in Obstetrics and Gynecology and is a member of the Royal College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists (MRCOG). He works at the Causeway Hospital, Coleraine and has a special interest in early pregnancy and recurrent pregnancy loss. In April 2022, Jonathan was awarded “Doctor of the Year” at the inaugural Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Awards. He contributed to the new book in this podcast episode. Overcoming MS and personal life: Jonathan was diagnosed with RRMS in October 2015 and has been following the Overcoming MS Program ever since.  Dr. White assists Overcoming MS as a medical advisor and event facilitator. He lives on the North Coast of Northern Ireland, is married to Jenny and father to Angus and Struan. His interests include the great outdoors, cycling and running (reluctantly), reading, rugby, film and spending time with his family. Dr Phil Startin’s Bio Career and Overcoming MS: After a DPhil in Quantum Physics, Phil left his academic roots for a more peripatetic career in management consulting, initially with Price Waterhouse. After years of travelling around the world for both work and pleasure, including a two-year assignment in Geneva, he was diagnosed with Primary Progressive MS (PPMS) in 2007. Phil discovered Overcoming MS in 2011, and coupled with his earlier discovery of mindfulness meditation, it awakened a whole new area in his life. With training and supervision from Bangor University, he now teaches an eight-week mindfulness-based stress reduction (MBSR) course to people with MS and to the general community on a pro-bono basis. He is also a trustee for MS-UK. Personal life: Phil lives in Arrochar, Scotland with his American wife, Cristina, whom he met over a weekend at the Jazz Fest in New Orleans. Phil’s completely convinced that the Overcoming MS program and mindfulness have positively affected the trajectory of his condition. Selected Key Takeaways The new book gives different perspectives from the Overcoming MS community Professor George Jelinek said: “After what seems like quite a long time of bringing this message to people, I’m hearing the message come back to me through the filter of all of these different people's lives and experiences, joys and sorrows. It's just a wonderful read for me to sit down and say that all this has been happening in our community and that people have worked out ways of adopting and maintaining this program, many of which I've really never considered given that I've got only my own particular view of the world.” Overcoming MS supports the use of medications alongside lifestyle changes Dr Jonathan White said: “I think sometimes the medical community thinks it’s “us or them” [with] lifestyle or medication and that could never be further from the truth. I personally have always chosen to use medication as part of my way of managing MS and I wouldn't change that. But nor would I change using lifestyle to manage my MS. Undoubtedly for many people medication has many benefits and is a huge part of your armor and protection against this disease. But why ignore the underlying things that caused the problem in the first place, you know, stress, lack of exercise, low vitamin D levels, poor diet and processed and altered fats and animal fats in your diet?” The Overcoming MS program is relevant for both relapsing and progressive forms of MS Dr Phil Startin said: “By following the Overcoming MS program, you absolutely can make a difference [to your MS], you can change the trajectory of that condition, and you can improve your quality of life. Through neuroplasticity, you can even recover some functions. The Overcoming MS program is just as relevant for us with a progressive form of the condition as it is for those with those newly diagnosed and with a relapsing form, possibly even more.” Related Links: Overcoming MS Handbook: Roadmap to Good HealthWatch the original webinar Don't miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favorite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Make sure you also sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Functional Medicine with Magic Barclay | S5E1
11-01-2023
Functional Medicine with Magic Barclay | S5E1
Welcome to Season 5 of Living Well with MS, where we are pleased to welcome holistic health practitioner and expert Magic Barclay as our guest!  Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Magic's bio. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. Bio: Magic Barclay is the lead practitioner and founder of ‘Wholistic Natural Health Australia’, a holistic health practice. She also is a host of the podcast “A Magical Life: Health, Wealth and Weight Loss”. Magic’s life changed when she faced multiple life-threatening conditions and at the same time, found herself divorced and raising her two children alone. She decided to find the root cause of her health issues and that set her on a path of life-changing learning that affected her whole family. Magic is a Master Practitioner in immune health, mould toxicity recovery and Psycho-Neuro-Endocrine-Immunology (the study of the interaction between psychological processes and the nervous and immune systems of the human body) of trauma. She tells us that she is a “mum of two amazing humans and two gorgeous furbabies, a grower of organic food for her family and a passionate native gardener”. Magic’s mission is to help people heal naturally, reconnect to the environment and reach their own potential. She mainly works with women aged 45-65 who feel unheard or misled by mainstream medicine and anyone who wants to bring their health back to basics. Selected Key Takeaways: The purpose of functional medicine Functional medicine involves looking at the systems of the body. It looks at what each system does and how it works with the other systems. We often say, "no system works alone." We particularly look at the root cause because if you don't look at that, then other issues keep arising. Belief in yourself is a powerful part of healing If people don't believe in themselves, they're not going to get well. We see a lot of people just given diagnosis after diagnosis, label after label, and they start believing that's who they are. Magic believes that this is a really awful way to live because you're a person, you are not the label that was given to you by your doctor. You are still a person. So, what they do in functional medicine is uncover: Who is that person? And who do [they] want to be? Reduce stress by acknowledging the stressor isn’t forever If you find yourself around people that increase your stress, don't be around them or decide to be around them for five or 10 minutes. Give yourself a time cap and tell yourself after 10 minutes “I'm out of this situation and I'll be okay”. If you find you are stressed by work, a doctor's appointment or driving, either take yourself out of the situation, find an alternative, or give yourself a time limit so that you know internally it's not forever. And don't sit there thinking, “I'm so stressed,” as your body hears that and guess what? It replies, "Really? This is a low level of stress, you want to be stressed? I'll raise the bar." Related Links: Magic’s Wholistic Natural HealthFind out more about PNEI and Dr. Gabor Maté https://drgabormate.com/Make natural laundry detergent from horse chestnuts/ conkers/ buckeyes https://wastelandrebel.com/make-laundry-detergent-out-of-chestnuts/Parkinson’s protein from gut to brain https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/tracking-spread-parkinsons-proteins-gut-brainThe Blood Brain Barrier in MS https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8395058/Th1 and Th17 response in MS https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5491887/ Don’t miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Make sure you also sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Building Resilience with Dr Rachael Hunter | S4E67
21-12-2022
Building Resilience with Dr Rachael Hunter | S4E67
Welcome to Living Well with MS. In this episode, Geoff catches up with Overcoming MS facilitator, Dr Rachael Hunter, a clinical psychologist and senior lecturer in clinical and health psychology at Swansea University. Rachael talks to Geoff about the meaning of resilience and looking after your psychological health. Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Rachael’s bio. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. Rachael’s bio: Dr Rachael Hunter is a clinical academic who works as a Clinical Psychologist in the NHS, and as a Senior Lecturer in Clinical and Health Psychology at Swansea University. She is an active researcher and has been involved with a number of projects relating to MS as well as other physical and mental health conditions.   Rachael has been following the Overcoming MS program since she was diagnosed with MS in 2012. She remains relapse free with recent MRI scans confirming ‘no evidence of disease activity.' Rachael says that she feels very lucky to have found Overcoming MS during diagnosis and to have such a supportive family who share her positive outlook. Since finding Overcoming MS, Rachael has felt compelled to raise awareness of the Overcoming MS Program and lifestyle approaches to living well, through her work. Rachael is a mum of two, slightly obsessed with the beach, and describes herself as a ‘realistic optimist.’  Selected Key Takeaways Our mental and physical health are linked “As a psychologist, my whole framework of clinical work is based on the idea that our physical health and our psychological health are intertwined. They absolutely affect each other. I knew that if I was struggling with my mental health, that was going to affect my physical health.” The definition of resiliency “Resiliency is the ability to accept one's experiences without avoidance. That you can continue to try and live your life and pursue your goals, despite that adversity. So what does that really mean? Well, it's basically talking about a capacity to respond positively to adverse situations.” Self-care is different for each person “Self-care is integral to what we need to be practicing all the time. I think making it a part of any framework is really important. I have quite a broad definition of self-care and that's going to be very individual for each person. I always encourage people to really think broadly about what self-care could be.” Related Links: Read Rachael’s Chapter in the Overcoming MS Handbook here Buy a copy of the Overcoming MS Handbook, launched at the end of 2021Watch Rachael’s talk ‘Promoting Resilience’ hereRead the 2022 Global Resilience report herePTSD stats: https://www.ptsduk.org/ptsd-stats/ Follow Rachael on social media: IG @racch_hhTwitter @drrachhunterFB https://www.facebook.com/rachael.hunter.908 Don’t miss out:  Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by podcast@overcomingms.org. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Disrupt Move and Transform – in Conversation with Kathy Chester | S4E66
14-12-2022
Disrupt Move and Transform – in Conversation with Kathy Chester | S4E66
Welcome to Living Well with MS. In this episode, Geoff meets with Kathy Chester, a certified fitness trainer and podcaster with MS.   Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Kathy’s bio.  Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS.  Bio:  Kathy Chester hosts the Move it or Lose it Podcast and leads Women Who Disrupt MS, a support group facilitated through the Multiple Sclerosis Foundation (MSF). She is the owner and lead trainer of Disrupt Fitness Gym.  Fitness has always played a big role in her life. She became an aerobics and boot camp coach and went on to manage various studios. In 2015, she established Disrupt Fitness Gym: a program combining circuit and interval training to create the most efficient workout.  Kathy was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis more than 20 years ago. Her MS symptoms began with numb hands and feet, migraines, and cognitive issues. The DMT’s and MS treatments she has tried include Avonex, steroids, chemotherapy, Tysabri, and now, Ocrevus. Taking these medications further confirmed her belief that movement and exercise is crucial for optimal health, strength, and mobility.  Her expertise has allowed her to train people with MS all over the world. She developed a new program called DMAT (Disrupt Move and Transform). DMAT targets joints and muscles to slow down advancement of the disease. The program is based on a one-on-one or group session. Both standing and seated moves are demonstrated and trained in real-time. The results are increased strength and confidence in everyday movements which leads to more independence, and therefore, a better quality of life.  Selected Key Takeaways  Understanding exercise to improve MS symptoms  As the MS changed, and as I grew in my knowledge and more certifications, then I was able to understand what moves needed to be done to strengthen our bodies, our legs, the foot drop, keeping the MS hug away, and things like that. So I started working with the MS and the autoimmune world.  The benefits of live exercise classes – giving feedback I also do it [exercise classes] via Zoom, where there could be seven to 10 people, and I'm showing seated moves and standing moves. I'm able to watch and say 'Hold on. Stop that. Let's do this instead.' So I can watch [and] ask, 'Is it cool enough where you are? Do you have water?' And I think that's a personal touch that I'm able to give.  Producing a podcast   I wanted to do a podcast for a long time. The gym just took so much of me. I listened to several different podcasts for years and tried to get my [own] idea of what I wanted it to be. I decided I wanted to have guests on with autoimmune diseases, a lot of them have MS. And then to get something that is inspirational, something that they do, and then have a doctor come on and really talk about the issue.  Related Links:  Try an Overcoming MS exercise video  Find out more about Kathy’s Disrupt Move and Transform exercise program   Listen to Kathy’s podcast Move It or Lose It   Don’t miss out:  Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org.  Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS.  If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Coffee Break #37 with Dave Jackman | S4E65
30-11-2022
Coffee Break #37 with Dave Jackman | S4E65
Welcome to Living Well with MS coffee break #37, where we are pleased to welcome OMSer and Ambassador, Dave Jackman, as our guest!  Watch this episode on our YouTube channel here. Keep reading for Dave’s bio. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. Bio: Dave Jackman is a Scot living in the historical village of Falkland in Fife with his wife, Rae and their Cavalier King Charles spaniel, Dexter (named after the serial killer!) They have three children, two of whom live locally, while one lives in California. Dave was diagnosed with primary progressive MS (PPMS) in October 2011 and started following the Overcoming MS Program shortly afterwards. He is now retired from teaching and has led several Overcoming MS Retreat Reunions and Overcoming MS workshops while running a successful Airbnb studio with his wife. He is also an Overcoming MS Ambassador for Scotland – Fife. Prior to diagnosis, he was a keen runner and played cricket for over 40 years. His interests now include computers, cricket, dogs, music, home exchanging and travel. 3 key things about Dave: Exercise I have always been sporty and loved the exercise involved in playing all the various sports I have participated in. I played cricket for over 40 years and in my youth played a lot of volleyball, culminating in representing Scotland at university level. Pursuing the exercise arm of Overcoming MS for me has not been difficult. After diagnosis, I consulted a physiotherapist who worked out a specific schedule of exercises for me and I also made use of the MS Gym online so that I was constantly exercising, particularly those bits of my body which were starting to deteriorate. These days, even though walking is becoming more tiring, I walk our dog every day and love travelling and exploring new places. Nowadays, even if I can’t go out for my exercise, I make use of an exercise bike and can still manage to ‘cycle' 5 miles a day. I feel it is really important that no matter your disability with MS, to manage whatever exercise you are capable of and pursue it regularly. Mindfulness Meditation and mindfulness were areas I really struggled with initially. However, I slowly got to grips with them. I joined Headspace online and have followed that for years. I feel it is really important to do your meditation. It does not have to be a long session, but it does have to be regular. Once a day suits me. I have also become much better at incorporating mindfulness into my day-to-day life. Home Exchanging My wife, Rae, and I have home exchanged for over 25 years. Initially, we saw it as a great, inexpensive and environmentally friendly way to explore the world with our three children. We love meeting the people involved and this has led us to do dog sitting whilst people were on holiday. In the past few years we have converted our garage into an Airbnb studio which has been very successful, so if you fancy a cheap few days break in Scotland... Related links  If you have been on an Overcoming MS retreat and are interested in attending the May 2023 Retreat Reunion email: davejackman@sky.comRead the progressive MS chapter of the Overcoming MS Handbook that Dave contributed to.Watch Dave’s Story of Hope: https://overcomingms.org/resources/stories-of-hope/daveRead Judy Graham’s book: Managing Multiple Sclerosis NaturallyFind out more about the Thermomix cooking appliance Don’t miss out:  Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Make sure you sign up for our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Introduction to Overcoming MS with Dr. Jonathan White (webinar highlights) | S4E64
16-11-2022
Introduction to Overcoming MS with Dr. Jonathan White (webinar highlights) | S4E64
Welcome to Living Well with MS. In this episode, we are taking you back to one of our particularly popular webinars, ‘Introduction to Overcoming MS’ with Dr. Jonathan White. Whether you are new to Overcoming MS or have followed the Program for years, this episode will be a well-worthy listen as Jonathan guides you through each step and the evidence behind it. This webinar was recorded 30 June 2021 as part of our Finding Hope with Overcoming MS webinar series. You can watch the whole webinar here. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Jonathan’s bio. Bio: Career:Jonathan went to University of Glasgow Medical School, graduating in 2008 (MBChB). He completed a further five years of training in Obstetrics and Gynecology and is a member of the Royal College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists (MRCOG). He works at the Causeway Hospital, Coleraine and has a special interest in early pregnancy and recurrent pregnancy loss. In April 2022, Jonathan was awarded “Doctor of the Year” at the inaugural Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Awards. Overcoming MS and personal life:Jonathan was diagnosed with RRMS in October 2015 and has been following the Overcoming MS Program ever since.  Dr. White assists Overcoming MS as a medical advisor and event facilitator. He lives on the North Coast of Northern Ireland, is married to Jenny and father to Angus and Struan. His interests include the great outdoors, cycling and running (reluctantly), reading, rugby, film and spending time with his family. You can learn more about his background here.  Selected Key Takeaways The 7 steps of the Overcoming MS program Diet: Understanding fats and why animal fat is problematic(22:58) “Saturated fats are those that are generally solid at room temperatures such as butter or the rind on a chop. They mainly come from animals when they are incorporated into the body. They are rigid. They're sticky, they're inflammatory, and they're degenerative. None of these things are something that I want as somebody with a chronic degenerative neurological condition.” Sunlight and Vitamin D: A range of benefits for MS and other conditions(26:09) “Vitamin D has a key role in regulating the immune system and in protecting the brain. We know that there's evidence in a whole host of conditions for the benefit of vitamin D in terms of reducing depression rates, hypertension or high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, some cancers, and in my own field, pregnancy losses. There is substantial evidence, particularly for vitamin D in MS prevention and in reducing the severity of the disease.” Exercise: Start low but you can push yourself to improve(32:29) “You should start low and increase slowly. It is okay to push yourself with MS. You're not going to bring on a relapse by lifting one extra rep or swimming a little bit further or walking a bit further. It's okay to go to the point of fatigue.” Mindfulness and Meditation: Evidence they reduce stress(35:41) “Studies have shown that regular mindfulness practice increases the grey and white matter in MRI scans, it promotes neuroplasticity so that [means] rerouting of signals around damaged areas and creating new neural networks.” Medication: Part of the Overcoming MS Program(37:16) “I think in the past, there was a perception that OMS was the slightly alternative area to pursue and, if you were going to that route, you were then against medication. That was Us vs. Them. That could not be further from the truth. It should be us and them together. We know that early medical treatment can alter the disease course in MS. But there are many issues to consider when you choose a treatment and you need to take time and have the space and opportunity to address these with your doctor.” Prevention in family members: Avoid smoking to protect your family(39:23) “[Cigarette smoking] doubles your risk of developing MS in your lifetime. And you're four times more likely to develop progressive MS and on average, eight years earlier. And that's dose-dependent. The more you smoke, the more likely it is. Passive smoking around a child doubles their lifetime risk of MS. It’s vitally important that you keep children away from passive smoking.” Change your life, for life: Follow the whole Overcoming MS Program(42:11) “You are not to blame for getting MS, but you are the best person to deal with it. OMS firmly believes the best way to deal with it is: to eat a plant-based whole food diet plus seafood, if you like, with daily flax seed oil, to get enough vitamin D either through sunlight or by taking 5,000 to 10,000 units a day, to exercise for 30 minutes three to five times per week, to meditate for 30 minutes daily, to work with your doctor and take medication if it's necessary and right for you and prevention for your family members. All of the elements we've talked about are effective in their own right but they work best when they’re put together.” Related Links: The Overcoming MS Program: Where to start: New to OMS? | Overcoming MSThe Overcoming MS Program: Multiple Sclerosis (MS) Recovery Program - UK, USA & Australia | Overcoming MSRead the Overcoming MS books: Books by Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis | Overcoming MSRecipes, Exercise classes, meditation sessions and more: Multiple Sclerosis Books & Resources | Overcoming MS Other useful links: Film: The ConnectionMSGym with Trevor WickenMSing Link with Gretchen HawleyBook: Atomic Habits by James Clear Don’t miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favorite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Make sure you also sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
Ask Jack - Soups | S4E63
02-11-2022
Ask Jack - Soups | S4E63
Welcome to your next “plating” of Ask Jack, featuring the prodigious culinary talents of professional chef, writer, and OMSer Jack McNulty answering food and cooking questions from our community that inform their healthy Overcoming MS (OMS) lifestyle. You can submit your questions for Jack anytime by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. Keep on reading for the key episode takeaways. If you’re interested in more recipes from the Overcoming MS Program, take a look at the collection on our website. We have easy, intermediate and hard recipes, so there’s something for all skill levels! Also, make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS Bio Jack McNulty has been involved in food and cooking most of his life. He’s walked many paths during his culinary journey, including transforming himself from an interested home cook to a professional chef with classical training. He has worked for talented and knowledgeable chefs in high-end restaurants in Switzerland, Italy, and France. Jack operated his own catering business and cooking school for 15 years, while also finding time to write about cooking. Jack’s current activities include operating myfreshattitude.com – a website dedicated to providing healthy vegan recipes and useful vegan cooking instruction and techniques. He also writes and distributes a weekly international newsletter - VeganWeekly – to inspire people to cook healthy vegan food. Jack has followed the Overcoming MS lifestyle since 2009. He has actively worked on providing recipes and information to the Overcoming MS website, was the contributing editor to the OMS Cookbook, and authored the ‘Eat Well’ chapter in the latest Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis Handbook.   Selected Key Takeaways Making your own veggie broth is easy and cost effective“A lot of people say, "Oh, you know, I don't have time to make my own vegetable broth." Well, vegetable broth takes all of, maybe, 30 minutes to make as you could put it together while watching a sitcom on TV in the background. It's one of those things that you can make in a large quantity, always have on hand, [and] you can freeze it easily. And it doesn't really require a huge effort. In terms of cost: probably not that much more significant than buying (stock) cubes and powder.” Use a large, heavy bottom pot to cook soup“[Thinking about the cooking pot], what I find really important is a heavy bottom. So stainless steel works really well. Thin bottom pots tend to develop hotspots and that will scorch ingredients on the bottom. That becomes very important when you're using things like lentils that like to sink to the bottom. If they grab onto one of those hotspots, they're going to scorch, they're going to burn and basically that will ruin the flavor of the entire soup.” An umami broth makes a great stew base“A stew basically is going to be the same as a soup, it just has a different amount of liquid in it. But if you wanted to make it that stick to your ribs kind of consistency, you need to have a very rich broth. And it needs to be something with color. So I make what I call an ‘umami broth’ using dried mushrooms, mushroom powder, I use some soya sauce in there, and a little bit of miso in there. And it turns out very, very dark, and actually has quite a meaty flavor to it.” Related Links: Connect with Jack on social media  https://linktr.ee/jackmcn.Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's 9 Meals from Anarchy Overcoming MS compliant stock https://www.ninemealsfromanarchy.co.uk/vegetable-stock-paste/hughs-classic Recipe links mentioned in podcast: Umami BrothVegetable Broth Brown Sauce with Mushroom Bourguignon Don’t miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favorite podcast listening app. If you enjoy Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
10 minutes with George: Learnings after following the program for years and the future | S4E62
19-10-2022
10 minutes with George: Learnings after following the program for years and the future | S4E62
Welcome to Living Well with MS. We are pleased to welcome Professor George Jelinek as part of a short series, '10 minutes with George’. These special episodes with the creator of the Overcoming MS Program mark the 10th anniversary of our charity, Overcoming MS.  In this final episode, George explains his learnings after many years on the program and his hopes for the future. You can also watch it here.   Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Professor Jelinek’s bio.  Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS  This is the fifth instalment of a five-part series. Listen to parts one, two, three and four.      Bio: Professor George Jelinek developed the Overcoming MS Program and founded the Neuroepidemiology Unit at the University of Melbourne's School of Population and Global Health which continues to research its benefits.  George’s Story When George was diagnosed with MS in 1999, he was determined to do something. His mother had died as a consequence of her MS, which spurred him on to sort through the medical literature on MS. His career as a Professor in Emergency Medicine and his background as Editor-in-Chief of a major medical journal gave him the tools to do this.  It became clear to George that remaining well after a diagnosis of MS is more than just a possibility. He found that with commitment to the right lifestyle changes, there is the real probability that many people with MS can live long, healthy lives, relatively free of the usual problems associated with the illness. These lifestyle recommendations are now referred to as the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis (OMS) Program, which he detailed in his book Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis.  George has remained free of further relapses, as have many people who follow the OMS Program.    Selected Key Takeaways:   The Overcoming MS Program can improve your mental health, even if you don’t physically get better. (4:25) “Some of the best things I've seen have been in people who didn't physically get better. A good example is someone who came to the program very early on when I first started running the retreats, who was using a wheelchair and had had MS for 25 years and was very disabled and was very depressed…. I saw her again, some months and then years later, and she was still using a wheelchair to get around and she still clearly was very disabled. But for me, there was this sort of radiance coming from her…. And I thought, now there's an outcome worth celebrating, even though it doesn't quite fit into some of the preconceived ideas we might have about overcoming [MS] or recovering.”     As evidence accumulates, the program evolves. Cryotherapy is one potential example.(10:36) “There's stuff in the literature now about cryotherapy – about regular exposure to cold – and some people have already adopted that. But these things are in their infancy, really, and we aren't at the point where I think it's sensible to adopt it as a mainstream recommendation in the program. But like all evidence-based programs, as the evidence keeps accumulating, the program will keep evolving, and that's how it should be.”  The key elements in the OMS Program involve modifying the factors which cause the illness to progress. (12:24) “There's no guarantee, but if you can modify the risks, (and there's a good science on which factors cause the illness to progress)... then you give yourself every chance of having the best possible outcome. And these are generally diet, exercise, stress, sunlight and vitamin D. They're really the key planks [of the Overcoming MS Program].”    Related Links:   Overview of the OMS program  Don’t miss out:  Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you enjoy Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org.  If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
10 mins with George: Defining ‘overcoming’ MS and ‘recovery’ | S4E61
12-10-2022
10 mins with George: Defining ‘overcoming’ MS and ‘recovery’ | S4E61
Welcome to Living Well with MS. We are pleased to welcome Professor George Jelinek as part of a short series, '10 minutes with George’. These special episodes with the creator of the Overcoming MS Program mark the 10th anniversary of our charity, Overcoming MS. In this fourth episode, George explains how he uses and defines “overcoming” MS and “recovery”. You can also watch it here.  Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Professor Jelinek’s bio. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. This is the fourth instalment of a five-part series. Listen to parts one, two and three. Bio: Professor George Jelinek developed the Overcoming MS Program and founded the Neuroepidemiology Unit at the University of Melbourne's School of Population and Global Health which continues to research its benefits. George’s Story When George was diagnosed with MS in 1999, he was determined to do something. His mother had died as a consequence of her MS, which spurred him on to sort through the medical literature on MS. His career as a Professor in Emergency Medicine and his background as Editor-in-Chief of a major medical journal gave him the tools to do this. It became clear to George that remaining well after a diagnosis of MS is more than just a possibility. He found that with commitment to the right lifestyle changes, there is the real probability that many people with MS can live long, healthy lives, relatively free of the usual problems associated with the illness. These lifestyle recommendations are now referred to as the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis (OMS) Program, which he detailed in his book Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis. George has remained free of further relapses, as have many people who follow the OMS Program.   Selected Key Takeaways: “Overcoming MS” can mean stabilizing rather than deteriorating (4:06) “My own health started to more than stabilize. And that was a surprise to me. In that I started to not only not deteriorate, but I started to feel better than I did before.” For us as a charity, “Overcoming MS” means living a full and happy life after a diagnosis. Although there is currently no cure, depending on your starting point, the Overcoming MS program may lead to improvements in your physical and mental health, reducing the impact of your MS symptoms, slowing or preventing its progression. Some people recover function and, most importantly, you can lead a full and happy life with MS. For George, “recovering from MS” is an ongoing process rather than an outcome (7:10) “I'd say I'm recovering from MS. [But] it's a process, not an outcome. In my view, we're not looking for a final destination. In life, the only final destination is death. I'm not trying to get somewhere, it's the process of how I'm living every day that constitutes recovering from MS.” For us as a charity, we look at a range of uses of the word recovery: recovering lost function, recovering mental strength and recovering quality of life. These different outcomes are possible depending on your starting point and personal situation.  The Overcoming MS program manages symptoms, it’s not a cure (9:00) “A cure has never been part of this. It would be ridiculous to say that living a really healthy life like this cures MS. Because I know if I was to return to my former bad habits, that there'd be every chance that I'd get a flare up of some sort.” Related Links: OMS Blog: How to Stick with OMSOMS Blog: Latest NEU Paper Shows Diet Quality Predicts Long-Term Quality of Life in MSOMS: What are the next Steps? Don’t miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favorite podcast listening app. If you enjoy Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here
10 minutes with George: The importance of mindset and support  | S4E60
05-10-2022
10 minutes with George: The importance of mindset and support | S4E60
Welcome to the third episode in our short series '10 minutes with George', with Professor George Jelinek. This series marks the 10th anniversary of the charity Overcoming MS. In this episode, George talks about the importance of mindset, mental health and support from others with MS. Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Professor Jelinek’s bio. You can also watch it here. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. This is the third installment of a five-part series. Listen to parts one and two. Bio: Professor George Jelinek developed the Overcoming MS Program and founded the Neuroepidemiology Unit at the University of Melbourne's School of Population and Global Health which continues to research its benefits. George’s StoryWhen George was diagnosed with MS in 1999, he was determined to do something. His mother had died as a consequence of her MS, which spurred him to sort through the medical literature on MS. His career as a Professor in Emergency Medicine and his background as Editor-in-Chief of a major medical journal gave him the tools to do this. It became clear to George that remaining well after a diagnosis of MS is more than just a possibility. He found that with a commitment to the right lifestyle changes, there is a real probability that many people with MS can live long, healthy lives, relatively free of the usual problems associated with the illness. These lifestyle recommendations are now referred to as the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis (OMS) Program, which he detailed in his book Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis. George has remained free of further relapses, as have many people who follow the OMS Program. Selected Key Takeaways: Take care of your mental health(6:04) “If you're going through… struggles, I would recommend talking to someone like a psychologist. Personally, when I first was diagnosed with MS, I had quite a number of sessions with a psychologist to help me understand what I was going through, what my emotions were about, and how that was playing out in the context of my life.” Others with MS are a great support(6:49) “Peer support is great for people who are struggling because, let's face it, all of us struggle with things at different times in our lives. There's nothing more helpful in many ways than someone who's been on the same journey and has worked out how to deal with it.” Health should be included in our top priorities(10:28) “I was into goal setting and things at the time that I was diagnosed. That was at the age of 45. And I looked back through a number of my goal-setting documents that I produced for myself, and I always left health blank. Now, what does that tell you? Everything else was filled in: work, leisure, finance, you name it, but health was always blank. So, it was an interesting wake-up call for me to get a serious illness.” While Overcoming MS isn’t currently holding retreats, you can find information about other events we are holding here. Related Links: The OMS Mental Health HubStories of Hope from other OMSersJoin an OMS Circle Don’t miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you enjoy Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
10 minutes with George: Exceptions to following the program  | S4E59
28-09-2022
10 minutes with George: Exceptions to following the program | S4E59
Welcome to Living Well with MS. This is the second episode with Professor George Jelinek in our short series '10 minutes with George', which marks the 10th anniversary of the charity Overcoming MS. Some people see the Overcoming MS Program, which Professor Jelinek created, as needing an 'all or nothing’ approach. George explains how and why some people make exceptions to following the program. You can also watch this episode here. Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Professor Jelinek’s bio. Make sure you sign up for our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. You can listen to part one here. Bio: Professor George Jelinek developed the Overcoming MS Program and founded the Neuroepidemiology Unit at the University of Melbourne's School of Population and Global Health which continues to research its benefits. George’s Story: When George was diagnosed with MS in 1999, he was determined to do something. His mother had died as a consequence of her MS, which spurred him on to sort through the medical literature on MS. His career as a Professor in Emergency Medicine and his background as Editor-in-Chief of a major medical journal gave him the tools to do this. It became clear to George that remaining well after a diagnosis of MS is more than just a possibility. He found that with a commitment to the right lifestyle changes, there is a real probability that many people with MS can live long, healthy lives, relatively free of the usual problems associated with the illness. These lifestyle recommendations are now referred to as the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis (OMS) Program, which he detailed in his book Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis. George has remained free of further relapses, as have many people who follow the OMS Program.   Selected Key Takeaways: What you do most of the time matters more than an occasional slip-up (4:50) “Your health in 20 or 30 years’ time will reflect the whole range of things you've done and your daily activities over all that time. And that's true, in general, in any illness. The occasional slip up in that context is essentially mostly irrelevant.” Look inward if you're struggling to stay on track with the Program (7:10) “If there's an inner struggle going on around [sticking to the program], then trying to get some help and understand what that struggle is about is useful... Is it related to not valuing oneself, not valuing one's health? [Or] because of perhaps the way we've been brought up? There are all sorts of different reasons why not placing yourself and your own health as important in your life would manifest in not doing everything that you can to try and stay well.” The support of a partner is crucial (9:51) “When partners came to the retreats, we would often find that their highly sceptical attitude at the beginning of the retreat was replaced with a total commitment by the end. Not only to support their partner but to do everything they could for their own health, because they would come to realise how important it is to stay well for themselves.” While Overcoming MS isn’t currently holding retreats, we do invite partners to play an active role in supporting the PwMS in their life by  adopting the Overcoming MS Program.   Related Links: Join Circles Online, OMS’s virtual support groupsSticking with the OMS program Tips and information for following the Overcoming MS diet   Don’t miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you enjoy Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
10 minutes with George: Getting started with Overcoming MS | S4E58
21-09-2022
10 minutes with George: Getting started with Overcoming MS | S4E58
Welcome to Living Well with MS. We are pleased to welcome Professor George Jelinek as part of a short series, '10 minutes with George’. These special episodes with the creator of the Overcoming MS Program mark the 10th anniversary of our charity, Overcoming MS. In this first episode, George explains how to get started with the Overcoming MS program.  You can also watch it here. Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Professor Jelinek’s bio. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS   Bio: Professor George Jelinek developed the Overcoming MS Program and founded the Neuroepidemiology Unit at the University of Melbourne's School of Population and Global Health which continues to research its benefits. George’s Story When George was diagnosed with MS in 1999, he was determined to do something. His mother had died as a consequence of her MS, which spurred him on to sort through the medical literature on MS. His career as a Professor in Emergency Medicine and his background as Editor-in-Chief of a major medical journal gave him the tools to do this. It became clear to George that remaining well after a diagnosis of MS is more than just a possibility. He found that with commitment to the right lifestyle changes, there is the real probability that many people with MS can live long, healthy lives, relatively free of the usual problems associated with the illness. These lifestyle recommendations are now referred to as the Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis (OMS) Program, which he detailed in his book Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis. George has remained free of further relapses, as have many people who follow the OMS Program.   Selected Key Takeaways: The Overcoming MS Program is evidence-based (04:03) “The OMS book is obviously a must-read. And that gives you the credibility and the science behind the whole program. This isn't something that has just occurred to me in the middle of the night or anything like that. It's taken quite a bit of work and a fair bit of time, and the right sort of background to understand the science to really put it together.” Overcoming MS is about choice (09:24 “The whole basis of OMS isn't to tell people what to do. We've never, never sought to give rigid guidelines for people or anything like that. This is all about providing choices for people, choices [so] that they're able to look at the range of what's on offer and choose what's most appropriate for them. For some people, that's all of the program for some people, there will be parts that don't feel appropriate for them.” Meditation can benefit all aspects of life (11:55) “Quite apart from the health benefits, there are enormous benefits to one's whole life in terms of the insight aspect that comes with meditation practice, [and] the improvement in one's inner landscape and emotional life that that comes along with that. You develop and learn the skill of tolerating difficult thoughts and situations.”   Related Links: Books: Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis and The Overcoming MS Handbook The Overcoming MS program Try a guided meditation   Don’t miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favorite podcast listening app. If you enjoy Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.
The 100th episode with Dr. Jonathan White | S4 E57 bonus
14-09-2022
The 100th episode with Dr. Jonathan White | S4 E57 bonus
Welcome to Living Well with MS Coffee Break #36, where we are pleased to welcome Dr. Jonathan White as our guest for this very special episode, our 100th podcast in the Living Well with MS series! Keep reading for the key episode takeaways and Jonathan’s bio. Make sure you sign up to our newsletter to hear our latest tips and news about living a full and happy life with MS. And if you’re new to Overcoming MS, visit our introductory page to find out more about how we support people with MS. Jonathan’s bio: Career: Jonathan went to University of Glasgow Medical School, graduating in 2008 (MBChB). He completed a further five years of training in Obstetrics and Gynecology and is a member of the Royal College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists (MRCOG). He works at the Causeway Hospital, Coleraine and has a special interest in early pregnancy and recurrent pregnancy loss. In April 2022, Jonathan was awarded “Doctor of the Year” at the inaugural Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Awards. Overcoming MS and personal life: Jonathan was diagnosed with RRMS in October 2015 and has been following the OMS Program ever since.  Dr. White assists OMS as a medical advisor and event facilitator. He lives on the North Coast of Northern Ireland, is married to Jenny and father to Angus and Struan. His interests include the great outdoors, cycling and running (reluctantly), reading, rugby, film and spending time with his family. You can learn more about his background here.  Selected Key Takeaways The new Handbook is an accessible version of the original Overcoming MS book: (8:58) “I've always thought of the main OMS book as being a textbook, almost like a reference guide. Whereas the, Overcoming MS Handbook is a lovely light and easy [book] that you could dip in and out of. I loved reading it and I picked up lots of tips. And it was great to hear from the community itself.” The first 10 years of the Overcoming MS charity’s message of hope has been groundbreaking: (13:39) “I think [the OMS charity] has been paradigm shifting and groundbreaking. That message of hope, of us giving people a sense of mastery. That the traditional description of this condition - and how it affects people - doesn't have to be that way through relatively simple things that you can do for yourself. And I think that [message] came at a time where it was so needed. In fact, now it's needed more than ever.” The Overcoming MS Community plays a very important role: (20:41) “[The Overcoming MS Community] fills the bucket completely for me. It's been a wonderful privilege professionally, as well, to be able to spend some time with people, like myself, living with MS. And to hopefully give them a little bit of information, to clarify some things for them and to maybe steer them in the right direction. And then to see the amazing changes that they implement in their lives. It is so gratifying professionally to be able to help someone like that.” Find the life worth enjoying… with rebellious hope: (25:40) “Dame Deborah James, who was a phenomenally passionate cancer campaigner, … sadly passed away in June, 2020. But her very last Twitter post....just spoke to me and I thought she's put this so beautifully. This is exactly how I feel about OMS [Overcoming MS] and MS generally. So I'm going to use her quote. She said, ‘Find the life worth enjoying, take risks, love deeply, have no regrets and always, always have rebellious hope.’ And I just love the idea of rebellious hope, because that to me is me and it's me and [Overcoming MS] OMS.” Related Links: Books: Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis and The Overcoming MS HandbookJoin an OMS CircleDame Deborah James’ You, Me and the Big C podcast   About Coffee Break: Our Coffee Break series is your chance to get to know members of our diverse OMS community. In each episode, you’ll join Geoff Allix for an intimate chat with a different member of our global community. Our guests share their personal stories and talk about their challenges and victories, large and small. We hope you find common cause and a source of inspiration from the stories of these very special people. As always, your comments and suggestions are welcome by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. We hope you enjoy this episode’s conversation with Dr. Jonathan White, coming to you straight from Northern Ireland.   Don’t miss out: Subscribe to this podcast and never miss an episode. You can catch any episode of Living Well with MS here or on your favourite podcast listening app. If you like Living Well with MS, please leave a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you tune into the show. Feel free to share your comments and suggestions for future guests and episode topics by emailing podcast@overcomingms.org. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support the ongoing work of Overcoming MS, you can leave a donation here.