Phil Perry has another Next Pats Podcast for you straight from radio row in Phoenix. Patriots linebacker Matthew Judon stops by to discuss how the hiring of Bill O'Brien can help the offense and what kind of QB Mac Jones can be in this league. Later on, former Patriot Malcolm Butler joins the pod to talk about his infamous Super Bowl interception. He also looks back on his brief reunion with the Patriots and Bill Belichick in 2022.

4:00 - Matthew Judon on the Patriots' offensive issues, hiring of Bill O'Brien

7:00 - Matthew Judon weighs in on Mac Jones as a leader

16:30 - Malcolm Butler talks about his game-winning Super Bowl interception

19:00 - Malcolm Butler on his current relationship with Bill Belichick

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