Host Troy Baker and Showrunners Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann walk through Episode 4, exploring key developments in Ellie and Joel’s relationship. They discuss a major antagonist of the show and tease Joel’s dark past. HBO’s The Last of Us podcast is produced by HBO and Pineapple Street Studios. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices