Stugotz is joined by Keith O'Brien who wrote the definitive book on Pete Rose. Keith shares the fascinating experience he had talking with Pete Rose as well as people in his inner circle about his betting scandal and also shares some of the things he learned about Pete that most people don't know. Stu is then joined by the manliest man ever to be on the podcast, Mr. Olympia Phil Heath, who talks about how body building saved his life and the struggles he has with his body now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices