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The Cloudcast (@cloudcastpod) is the industry's #1 Cloud Computing podcast, and the place where Cloud meets AI.  Co-hosts Aaron Delp (@aarondelp) & Brian Gracely (@bgracely) speak with technology and business leaders that are shaping the future of business. Topics will include Cloud Computing | AI | AGI | ChatGPT | Open Source | AWS | Azure | GCP | Platform Engineering | DevOps | Big Data | ML | Security | Kubernetes | AppDev | SaaS | PaaS .

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Enabling Voice AI in Applications
3d ago
Enabling Voice AI in Applications
Scott Stephenson (@deepgramscott, CEO of @deepgram) talks about building Voice AI into your applications.SHOW: 841SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #841 TranscriptSHOW VIDEO: https://youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNET CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK:  http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT OUR OTHER PODCAST:  "CLOUDCAST BASICS" SHOW NOTES:Deepgram (homepage)Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. Before we jump into Deepgram and Voice AI, let’s talk a little bit about your background and then what led you to start the company.Topic 2 - Let’s start by stepping back and looking at the bigger picture. Many of us have interacted with voice technologies, from Siri to Alexa to various call-center “agents”. From a maturity perspective, where are we in terms of voice-centric interactions with computing systems? Topic 3 - When businesses think about including computer-aided voice-centric interactions to their applications, what’s the typical thought process for where it makes sense to the business, how it represents their brand, etc.?Topic 4 - How does Deepgram bring Voice AI to applications? What do developers have to think about when adding Voice AI to an existing application, or to think about building a voice-centric application from the start?Topic 5 - What are some of the most common use-cases when Voice AI adds new value to the application? What areas are starting to push the edges of possible? Topic 6 - How do companies usually go about collecting user-feedback about the voice-centric interactions?Topic 7 - If you look forward a year or two, where do you see Voice AI types of technologies evolving? FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
The Mid Year (2024) Mailbag
17-07-2024
The Mid Year (2024) Mailbag
2024 has been evolving very quickly for Cloud and AI. So as we get to the mid-year point, we stop and answer many of your mailbag questions. SHOW: 839SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #839 TranscriptSHOW VIDEO: https://youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNET CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK: http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT OUR OTHER PODCAST: "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW NOTES:Amazon acqui-hiring - Adept.ioInflectionAmazon building ChatGPT Competitorhttps://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-andy-jassy-wooed-wall-street-overhauled-bloated-tech-giant-2024-7The InfraRed ReportMAILBAG QUESTIONS:Topic 1 - At this stage of the GenAI era, obviously the “picks and shovels” are winning (e.g. NVIDIA). But beyond that, are there obvious winners and losers, or areas that look more promising? Topic 2 - In the near-term or long-term, do you think there will be big differentiation in the LLM models, or do they eventually commoditized? Topic 3 - There is some talk that Amazon (&/or) AWS are behind in GenAI, but obviously they are ahead with cloud. Do you think GenAI offerings will be enough to get companies to move clouds, or will it just be another cloud workload and companies already use multiple clouds? Topic 4 - Do you have any thoughts about how GenAI (or any AI) will impact IT architectural thinking over the next couple of years? Topic 5 - Do you think the recent rounds of layoffs, or slow downs in hiring, will have a big impact on IT organizations?Topic 6 - What happens if GenAI doesn’t turn out to be as successful as so many people are forecasting? What happens to all the other potential technology innovations while that plays out?Topic 7 - If you were advising someone on a tech career choice in 2024, what type of guidance would you give someone? Topic 8 - DevOps had a long run as “the IT cultural change” for a while. Do you see any of the other tech/culture trends starting to get more popular (FinOps, Platform Engineering, MLOps, etc.)?FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
Scaling Apple Apps with MacStadium
10-07-2024
Scaling Apple Apps with MacStadium
Chris Chapman (CTO at @MacStadium) talks about Mac-centric backend development, DevOps tools chains, and the best ways to take advantage of MacStadium.SHOW: 837SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #837 TranscriptSHOW VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNETCLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK:  http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT OUR OTHER PODCAST: - "CLOUDCAST BASICS" SHOW SPONSOR:Panoptica, Cisco’s Cloud Application Security solutionSHOW NOTES:MacStadium (homepage)Mac Virtualization, using Orka 3.0Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. Before we dive into all things MacStadium, give us a little bit of your background, as well as some of your focus areas as CTO of MacStadiumTopic 2 - Everybody I know has an iPhone, and so many people use a Mac (or iPad) as their daily computing device. Help us understand the breadth of companies that use Macs for the backend of their application environments? Topic 3 - We spend a lot of time focusing on DevOps and the things people do to run cloud environments. Honestly, it’s a mess of all sorts of tools. Apple has always made the complex seem simple. What does Mac-centric DevOps look like? Topic 4 - We know (mostly) where cloud-provider responsibilities stop and customer-responsibilities start in places like AWS. Does that change much in MacStadium?Topic 5 - You are/were the creator of Orka, virtualization for Macs. Walk us through the basics of how that works, and it seems like it would be extremely powerful when looking at CI pipelines.Topic 6 - What are some of the best ways that companies take advantage of MacStadium?FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
Identifying Successful Open Source Projects
30-06-2024
Identifying Successful Open Source Projects
As open source companies and projects enter a transition phase of funding, licensing, community participation, let’s look at the characteristics of successful open source projects. SHOW: 834SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #834 TranscriptSHOW VIDEO: https://youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNET CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSOR:Panoptica, Cisco’s Cloud Application Security solutionSHOW NOTES:10 Years of Kubernetes30 Years of Linux10 Years of OpenStack25 Years of JavaWHAT DOES SUCCESS MEAN IN OPEN SOURCE?There are 1000s of widely used open source projects, from Linux to Java to MySQL to Docker to Kubernetes to MongoDBLess projects are successful from a monetization perspective, but that’s about individual business modelsPlenty of companies during the 2010s-2020s treated open source as “marketing” and not really a development modelWHAT DOES COMMERCIAL SUCCESS LOOK LIKE IN OPEN SOURCE?Wide usage infrastructure - Linux, Kubernetes, OpenStackComplex projects vs. “it just works”Critical security - VaultComplex data services - MongoDB, KafkaMany companies contributing (share the costs) - Linux, KubernetesManagement / Observability Engines - Crossplane, PrometheusProgramming Languages - Java, Rust, Go, Python, Ruby, etc.Cloud services hiding complexityCloud services stretching across cloudsSingle vendor projects - often move to non-OSS licensingSingle vendor projects - difficult to maintain at scaleFEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
WASM, Developer Experiences and Kubernetes
26-06-2024
WASM, Developer Experiences and Kubernetes
Matt Butcher (@technosophos, CEO at @FermyonTech) talks about the evolution of WASM, the relationship with Kubernetes, and managing Developer Experiences with platforms.SHOW: 833SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #832 TranscriptSHOW VIDEO: https://youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNET CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT OUR OTHER PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS" SHOW NOTES:Fermyon (homepage)Fermyon Open SourceBuilding Apps with WebAssembly (Cloudcast Eps. 633)Kubernetes is (not) a cost optimization problem (InfoWeek)Topic 1 - Welcome back to the show. It’s been a couple of years since the last time you were on. Great to have you back. For anyone that didn’t listen to that show, or doesn’t know you, give us a quick update on your background. Topic 2 - Let’s begin by talking about the Web Assembly community and the work around the open source project. Where does it stand today, what are the main focus areas? Topic 3 - Fermyon delivers WASM as a PaaS platform and is focused on “serverless” delivery for applications. You’ve got a background in PaaS; what lessons have we learned about PaaS and what’s changed over the years?Topic 4 - A couple years ago, Web Assembly (WASM) was on the short-list of “Hot” topics at KubeCon, even though it just launched. Fast forward to 2024, and it feels like it’s hard to get visibility on anything that isn’t called AI. How is WASM navigating the CNCF communities these days?Topic 5 - WASM has an interesting relationship with Kubernetes. How do you think about the relationship? What do people get right, and what do they keep getting wrong? Topic 6 - What are some of the interesting use-cases people are using WASM for thess days? FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
Zapier + AI integration
19-06-2024
Zapier + AI integration
Reid Robinson (@Reidoutloud_, Lead AI Product Manager @Zapier)  talks about automation, application integrations and how to integrate AI in projects with Zapier SHOW: 831SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #831 TranscriptSHOW VIDEO: https://youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNET CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT OUR OTHER PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW NOTES:Zapier AI homepageZapier integration with OpenAIZapier Central - AI Workspace to Teach AI Bots to work with AppsZapier Chatbots - Build AI ChatbotsZapier Canvas - Diagram AI WorkflowsTopic 1 - Welcome to the show, Reid. Before we get started, tell us a little bit about your background, and what you focus on now at Zapier.Topic 2 - Lots of individuals and companies use Zapier for a wide variety of automated tasks and application integrations. Recently, the company has added a number of ways to integrate AI into those workflows. At a high-level, how did you go about thinking about adding AI into the platform?Topic 3 - What are some of the most common AI usage-patterns and integrations that you’re seeing companies build around?Topic 4 - As Zapier began to integrate with OpenAI (or any 3rd-party LLM), how did you think about it as a source of integration? What did you have to think about regarding filtering, security and hallucinations with ChatGPT?Topic 5 - We often hear discussions about AI agents interacting with other AI agents to complete tasks, or evolve the outputs of multi-step, complex tasks. Is that an area where we might expect to see things like the new Zapier AI tools playing a role? Topic 6 - What are some of the best ways to get started building AI apps around these new integrations and tools?FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
Modern Approaches to Continuous Integration
12-06-2024
Modern Approaches to Continuous Integration
Solomon Hykes (@solomonstre, Co-Founder @Dagger_io) talks about the evolution of the container industry, fixing broken CI/CD systems, and modern DevOps.SHOW: 829SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #829 TranscriptSHOW VIDEO: https://youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNET CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT OUR OTHER PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SPONSOR:Neo4j explores knowledge graphs and vector search (graphstuff.fm podcast)See what graphs can do for you at Neo4j.com/developerSHOW NOTES:https://dagger.io/InfoQ Article on DaggerDaggar and GPTScript for AI (video)Tech Crunch ArticleSolomon’s first time on The Cloudcast - Episode #66Topic 1 - Welcome back to the show. We’ve spoken a number of times over the years and we’ve been overdue to catch up. For the few listeners out there who might not be familiar, give everyone a quick intro and your background with Docker and containers prior to Dagger.Topic 2 - Dagger has been around for a few years, coming out of stealth in 2022. If I understand Dagger correctly, it is a declarative model to abstract away CI/CD pipelines. What problem are you trying to solve?Topic 2a - Anytime you add an abstraction layer, you potentially add overhead and complexity. What are your thoughts on this?Topic 3 - Let’s go back to containers quickly. How has Containers as an “industry” changed over the years? How does that relate to what you are trying to do with Dagger?Topic 3a - What lessons learned from Docker and even back to dotCloud days do you want to bring forward with Dagger?Topic 4 - What metrics are organizations using to measure the performance and success of Dagger implementations? Is it velocity (number of deployments)? Reduction in friction?Topic 4a - I get the advantage on the Dev side of DevOps, what’s in it for Ops?Topic 5 - Dagger has three components, Dagger Engine, Dagger Cloud and Dagger SDK. Walk everyone through the offerings at a high level.FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
How Today's AI is like the Early 2010s
09-06-2024
How Today's AI is like the Early 2010s
The introduction of cloud computing brought about a significant change on how we use technology with our businesses. Let’s look at the historical parallels to today’s AI for the Enterprise. (Part 2 of 3)SHOW: 828SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #828SHOW VIDEO: https://youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNET CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSOR:Panoptica, Cisco’s Cloud Application Security solutionSHOW NOTES:Part 1: How Today's AI is like the Early 2000s (Cloudcast Eps:826)Part 2: How Today’s AI is like the Early 2020s (Cloudcast Eps.828)WHAT SHAPED THE EARLY 2010s?2008 financial crash and less money available for technology (uncertainty)Increased frustration with corporate IT organizations (too much “no”)The possibilities of mobile computing and socially connected societies (abundance)EARLY CLOUD WAS ALL ABOUT BREAKING AWAY FROM CORPORATE ITIt’s a new generation of computing, so the future winner is unknown.Many companies are trying to have centralized IT policies - one size fits allData governance and legal liability is driving corporate policies (education needed)Consumer AI is widely available and applicable to some job functionsExecutives are starting to talk about “AI First” policiesCloud-native and Cloud-migrated were very different things, with different resultsFEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
How Today's AI is like the Early 2000s
02-06-2024
How Today's AI is like the Early 2000s
Let’s put today’s AI era into some historic context by looking at the similarities and parallels to the explosion of the 1st wave of the consumer Internet. (Part 1 of 3)SHOW: 826SHOW VIDEO: https://youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNET CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW SPONSOR:Panoptica, Cisco’s Cloud Application Security solutionSHOW NOTES:Building the Information Super Highway (pre-2000)Executives discuss the Information Super Highway2001 - A DotCom Bubble Odyssey (Cloudcast Eps.772)Part 1: How Today's AI is like the Early 2000s (Cloudcast Eps:826)Part 2: How Today’s AI is like the Early 2020s (Cloudcast Eps.828)WE’RE FASCINATED BY THE IDEA OF TECHNOLOGY CHANGING EVERYTHING2000s era Internet was going to change everythingGenAI is predicted to change everythingMOST TECHNOLOGY’S SHIFT HAPPEN WITH CONSUMERS FIRSTGenAI still can’t validate accuracy (e.g. hallucinations)GenAI is still extremely expensive to create, maintainGenAI still doesn’t have a widely-adopted business modelShadow GenAI groups will emerge in the EnterprisePeople are still mostly thinking about GenAI as a way to offload things they don’t want to do vs. improving their existing skillsFEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
Understanding and Advising CIOs
29-05-2024
Understanding and Advising CIOs
Tim Crawford (@tcrawford, CIO Advisor at @AVOAcom) talks about the challenges of the modern CIO, managing stability vs. innovation, and understanding the business value of tech.SHOW: 825SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #825 TranscriptSHOW VIDEO: The Cloudcast YouTube ChannelCLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT OUR OTHER PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS" SHOW SPONSOR:Neo4j explores knowledge graphs and vector search (graphstuff.fm podcast)See what graphs can do for you at Neo4j.com/developerSHOW NOTES:AVOA WebsiteTim’s article on HashiCorpTopic 1 - Tim, welcome back to the show! We’ve been friends for years, and it’s great to get you on today! We will discuss everything at the top of CIOs' minds today. Why don’t you give everyone a quick background on how you became known as the CIO Advisor?Topic 2 - Before we go into trends over the last few years. Put everyone in a CIO mindset. What do they care about? How do they think about the intersection of technology and business? What keeps them up at night?Topic 3 - We’ve heard many times CIOs have to balance two things: keeping the lights on (the boring side of the business that is often undifferentiated, and the innovative side that often moves the needle. A CIO’s job is to minimize the former and maximize the latter. Do you agree? How accurate is that statement? Topic 4 - I’ll follow that up with a real-world example many organizations might be facing, one we’ve discussed on the show in the past. We’ll discuss VMware on one end of the stable, the keep the lights on model, and AI on the other end as an innovative technology that could differentiate. Let’s talk about VMware first… Topic 4b  - Now the other end of the spectrum, AI. Have we reached peak AI washing and craziness? Is the trough of disillusionment coming? How should a CIO think about it?Topic 5 - Let’s talk about economics over the last few years. Zero-interest money has gone away for VCs and startups and we are seeing some big changes on the vendor side. How does this impact the people you talk to?Topic 6 -  Last topic, you were there and talked about Hashicorp when they rang the bell last week and then were bought 24 hours later. What was that like as someone who was there?FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
Using AI to Build Tech Communities
22-05-2024
Using AI to Build Tech Communities
Jonas Rosland (@jonasrosland, Head of Open Source Community @CIQ) talks about using AI tools to accelerate building and communications in Open Source Software (OSS) communities. We also discuss the differences between Community Roles and Dev Rel.SHOW: 823SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #823CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwNEW TO CLOUD? CHECK OUT OUR OTHER PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS" SHOW SPONSOR:Neo4j explores knowledge graphs and vector search (graphstuff.fm podcast)See what graphs can do for you at Neo4j.com/developerSHOW NOTES:Jonas’ session abstract from All Things Open (ATO) 2023Session slides and description of the talkHit Save! - Video Game Preservation OrganizationCIQ Enterprise Linux PlatformTopic 1 - Good Afternoon Jonas! Give everyone a quick background on your time building open-source communities and a bit about your foundation. We’ll dig into both areas today.Topic 2 - We caught up at All Things Open last fall. You gave a fascinating talk on using AI tools to accelerate the building of OSS communities. Give everyone the backstory on how that topic and presentation came to be.Topic 3 - This may be a dumb question, but DevRel is (still) all the rage. What is the difference between the approach to building OSS communities and the straight-up DevRel teams? How is success tracked in each? Are there solid metrics, or is it “fuzzy”?Topic 4 - Sadly, as far as I can tell, the session wasn’t recorded. But, for me, the big takeaway was how much dabbling you were doing with the tools and your good and bad experiences. I learned a lot from a practical aspect. But, the AI industry and tools are moving so fast. What’s in your toolbox today and why?Topic 5 - What are some of the gaps in the tools today? What’s missing?Topic 6 -  Let’s talk about your side gig. You were part of the founding team and are exec director of a video game preservation society, Hit Save! How did that come to be? What does that entail?FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify
Lessons Learned from AWS Leadership Transition
19-05-2024
Lessons Learned from AWS Leadership Transition
After just three years, AWS is making another change at the top of the leadership org-chart. What lessons can we learn from leadership transitions and what might come next?SHOW: 822SHOW TRANSCRIPT: The Cloudcast #822SHOW VIDEO: https://youtube.com/@TheCloudcastNET CLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK - http://bit.ly/cloudcast-cnotwCHECK OUT OUR NEW PODCAST - "CLOUDCAST BASICS"SHOW NOTES:Andy Jassy makes AWS leadership announcement“There’s no AI without the cloud”, says AWS CEO (Decoder podcast)Six things to know about the new AWS CEO, Matt GarminAWS HAS NEW LEADERSHIP. WHY NOW? Adam Selipsky is out, Matt Garmin is in. What does it mean?Why is AWS making the change now?WHAT LESSONS CAN WE LEARN FROM SELIPSKY’S 3 YEARS AS AWS CEOProbably don’t take the job immediately after someone is the Nick Saban of techDon’t be the complete opposite of the previous boss (wings guy vs. wine guy)[Andy on X] Lead Amazon, married and father of two kids, big sports/music/film fan, experienced buffalo wings eater. Go Kraken![Adam on X] Husband & dad. Water skier/tennis player. Fan of Seahawks & Sounders. CEO at #AWS.[Andy Jassy] I’ve always had a lot of respect for Adam, and we met several times to discuss the possibility of coming back to lead AWS. In those conversations, we agreed that if he accepted the role, he’d likely do it for a few years, and that one of the things he’d focus on during that time was helping prepare the next generation of leadership.[Andy Jassy] Matt has an unusually strong set of skills and experiences for his new role. He’s very customer focused, a terrific product leader, inventive, a clever problem-solver, right a lot, has high standards and a meaningful bias for action. Realize when your job is to lead and inspire vs. producing the weekly reportThe post-ZIRP CEO of AWS2021 - $62B, , 2022 - $80B, 2023 - $90B, 2024 - $100+BLost key peopleBehind on GenAI vs. other clouds“Wartime CEO” vs. “Peacetime CEO”FEEDBACK?Email: show at the cloudcast dot netTwitter: @cloudcastpodInstagram: @cloudcastpodTikTok: @cloudcastpodOut-of-the-box insights from digital leadersDelivered is your window in the minds of people behind successful digital products. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify