DC Power Hour

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Welcome to “DC Power Hour”– the show where we will discuss everything related to – you guessed it – critical DC power solutions. Twice a month, we will get together and have a little fun talking with experts about the issues that are important to us and our industry. At Eagle Eye, we are huge on sharing knowledge, and our goal is to both educate and entertain our audience with this podcast. So, charge up, power on, or do whatever it is you have to do to get yourself excited for “DC Power Hour”! read less

Compliant Redundancy from a Single Industrial Battery Charger
08-03-2023
Compliant Redundancy from a Single Industrial Battery Charger
In this episode, George is joined by Lucas Berndt, modular switch-mode charger product expert, to talk about industrial battery chargers and redundancy. They discuss the benefits of having a modular charger – with hot-swappable power modules – for redundant functionality in case of an outage. They address how this satisfies NERC and TPL standards that aim to eliminate single points of failure – and instead of having to buy and make room for two chargers, just one of these chargers will do the trick. Tune in for an in-depth conversation about chargers that you don’t want to miss.6:10One of the things that I really like about the modular chargers is the fact that at a location, just by adding a small charger, we suddenly have full N+1 redundancy. 12:53Basically, what I look for when I’m looking for redundancy, in talking about plusses, that is also variant from utility to utility – what they view as redundancy. So, they may look at it from the standpoint of my redundancy in my equation is I need, if this charger fails, I need to have the exact same power it had available. Or is their term of redundancy, I can lose a little, but I still maintain.23:43Changing out a modular battery charger is so easy a salesman can do it. I can be done 100% safely. It is pretty safe and pretty fast.43:10With NERC and TPL standards aiming to address and eliminate single points of failure, and a lack of space to consider when configuring system updates, being able to use a single charger instead of two is a priority.
How Does Standby Battery Power Work Exactly?
15-02-2023
How Does Standby Battery Power Work Exactly?
How Does Standby Battery Power WorkIn this episode, George of The Battery Blarney Duo answers questions about the basic concept and workings of battery backup for electric substations and their critical components. He touches on topics including ensuring the stability and reliability of the electricity grid, reducing the risk of equipment damage, keeping communications systems powered and preventing costly power outages.The session highlights that battery monitoring systems are critical components of battery backup systems in electric substations. They provide real-time information on the battery's state of charge, voltage, and health, enabling timely maintenance and ensuring that the battery is always ready to provide emergency power when needed.Episode Highlight2:43 - When there is an outage and substation stand-by power is engaged, how does that work?8:00 - Substation communications systems are a key part of the system and depend on having a properly maintained battery back up system.10:12 - Learn what happens when the power flickers out for a moment and what to expect if it happens more than once.15:01 - George explains how power is shifted around through the system and touches on the failings that led to the 2021 electrical crisis in Texas.17:56 - Technicians play a critical role in maintaining the safety and reliability of electrical power systems, and having both field experience and mission critical training is essential. Training with real-world equipment, problem solving, and seeing the consequences of their actions in a safe and controlled environment are invaluable.Eagle Eye E-mail
Battery Chemistries and Applications: Part Two
21-12-2022
Battery Chemistries and Applications: Part Two
The discussion about the chemistry and applications of batteries continues in this episode with David, Al Warner and Dan Lambert, and The Battery Blarney Duo. They are comparing flow and lead acid batteries in terms of their reliability and need for maintenance. They examine the problem if you have an energy-storage battery, such as a zinc manganese battery, as well as the benefit of nickel zinc batteries in which electrodes interact with electrolytes. They also mention that a hybrid system using both nickel zinc and manganese dioxide batteries might be very efficient, and that if manufacturers collaborate, third-party integrators will find it easy to connect these products together into a cohesive unit.Tune in to hear about the various codes and standards affecting stationary batteries plus comments about systems integrators and how they can fail when integrating different types of energy storage.Episode Highlights06:33 - There are a lot of things about different systems that most people are not aware of and they think, "Oh, fuel cell, that's the answer to everything." It's not. It can never be the answer to everything. A lead acid battery is not going to oxygen starve the environment that's surrounding it. Fuel cells definitely can do that. A large system can starve the oxygen in the inside of a facility. Lesson is learned the hard way. 15:40 - I'm glad you brought up the idea of the hybrid battery system. Problem is that you end up, for instance, working with two different manufacturers, obviously competing for business, who don't always want to cooperate as well as they could. So, you end up with a third party having to do it.24:42 - Integrators are probably the short end of the circuit. You have to have people that are qualified and there seemed to be very few of them. It's interesting to me that you gain wisdom by knowledge. You gain wisdom by failing. There's no two ways around it. Experience counts for an awful lot in this game. The powers that be seem to want to push us towards an electrified world without adequate thought, without any experience. It's up to us in the industry, basically, to educate those that are coming into the industry. Contact InformationEagle Eye E-mail
Battery Chemistries and Applications: Part One
07-12-2022
Battery Chemistries and Applications: Part One
The Battery Blarney Duo are joined by industry experts Al Warner and Dan Lambert to discuss lead acid, lithium, nickel cadmium and other prominent battery chemistries and their proper applications. They discuss the pros and cons of these popular chemistries as well as the prospect of other interesting options, like that of zinc manganese. The discussion revolves around selecting the best battery for a given application and how some outdated technology might be reimagined to better suit present-day requirements. With roughly 150 years of industry experience on this epsiode alone, it's safe to say there are a lot of insights to gain from listenting to these four battery veterans.Episode Highlights16:47 - Most of these lithium battery fires have occurred because people did not have good fire suppression to take care of the external flame source.30:42 - The problem we have with most people is they think lithium is a one size fits all. It's not. It cannot fit all of the applications. 33:59 - Through the years, there have literally been millions of dollars invested into the development of the nickel zinc technology.35:41 - The other technology I was alluding to is zinc manganese dioxide. It's kind of the other end of the scale. It's a zinc battery, very similar to the zinc manganese primary cells.46:18 - The real key here to energy storage as we move forward is going to be, and is rapidly becoming kind of a focal point for everybody, is the sustainability of the technology. And some of these old technologies – yeah, they're old. They weren't really, shall we say, manipulated or commercialized, basically, because the technology at the time of the invention was, to our way of looking at it, very rudimentary. We have much better technology now and as modern science looks at these things, they can see massive improvements that can be made.Contact InformationEagle Eye E-mail
Stationary Battery Applications Across Multiple Industries
26-10-2022
Stationary Battery Applications Across Multiple Industries
The world is rapidly becoming more and more reliant on technology. We rely on technology for communication, commerce, and so much more. One of the most important aspects of our technological infrastructure is the stationary battery. Stationary batteries are used to provide backup power or continuous power to a facility. The Battery Blarney Duo, George and Allen, are joined by their colleague Peter DeMar to discuss the different types of stationary battery applications and how they are used across multiple industries.  Episode Highlight01:23 Communications, power and data processing; they all rely very much on stationary batteries in order to maintain their service in the event of power outages.  07:21 We are totally dependent on electricity, communications and data centers. You lose any one of them, and half the world will stop it appears.  20:18 It’s absolutely the wrong thing to have in a utility application where it can be abused because of weather conditions.  29:01 Visual inspection, because you know, that’s when we see the other things that are going wrong that may not be indicated by monitoring static or active parameters.   39:35 The concept of the electronic battery technician measuring just the parameters that Pete talked about but looking at them in a ratio basis and measuring the ratio between them and when that ratio started to change, you needed to go and check the battery which of course now is what basically the artificial intelligence is gonna be doing.  Contact InformationEagle Eye E-mail
A Look Back and a Look Forward at the DC Power Industry Part 2
13-10-2022
A Look Back and a Look Forward at the DC Power Industry Part 2
The Battery Blarney Duo continue their discussion on the challenges and opportunities facing the DC power industry. They discuss the role of standards in promoting innovation and interoperability, the need for improved energy storage technologies, and the potential for micro-grids to provide resiliency in the face of extreme weather events. They also talk about the changing landscape of the utility industry, as more and more customers are seeking alternatives to traditional grid-provided power. The panelists agree that the future of the DC power industry is full of promise, but caution that there are still many challenges to be addressed. They urge companies and individuals to continue to push for progress in order to ensure that the industry can meet the needs of a rapidly changing world.Episode Highlight:07:51 - What I think people forget sometimes is the use of the word "standards". Standards really should be mandated by law, like the national electricity code.19:39 - That`s probably one of the biggest challenges we have, from the maintenance point of view, because we simply like the technicians or all of those recommended practices on how things should be done.27:17 - For me, if I was a manager of a facility, I would require that our technicians  adhere to the standards.37:44 - Maybe we have a high level of engineering expertise but it doesn`t apply in a different industry and each industry is different.49:25 - PRC 005 and TPO 001-5 are all part of the requirement, most of these managers  or in the managerial level dont understand the basis of it.Contact InformationEagle Eye E-mail
A Look Back and a Look Forward at the DC Power Industry
28-09-2022
A Look Back and a Look Forward at the DC Power Industry
Batteries are a critical part of the telecom infrastructure and can be found in many different types of telecom equipment. They provide backup power and support to essential systems during an outage or emergency situation. Most substations have some kind of telecom element to them. This could be as simple as a few batteries, or it could be a much more complex system. In either case, a DC battery is typically used. However, batteries alone are not enough to power a substation. They must be connected to the utility's power grid in order to function properly. Without this connection, the substation would not be able to provide the necessary power to the community it serves. Episode Highlights06:34 - The challenge has become another direction because it’s a lot more difficult to innovate because you're stuck to certain things that you have to do.  09:42 - We already got computerization within the main switching centers. With a lot of fancy details and fancy fonts, one of the problems was that they needed to be able to operate the monitor and the keyboard in order to access the switch.  14:43 - Customers said, “Well, we don’t want these nasty batteries with electrolytes rushing around inside, we want something that is more user-friendly, we want something that’s smaller, something that’s lighter, something that’s cheaper, something that doesn’t require maintenance,” and low and behold, the industry came up with one of the greatest marketing ploys I thought ever happened and it’s a complete oxymoron. They come up with selling free batteries.  29:14 - There’s a telecom element within every substation. Some more complex than others, sometimes they are stand alone. It all depends on the utility structure.34:08 - There’s almost a disconnect within certain utilities as an entity within their own substation sometimes and I’m sure some people are upset about being told that. Contact InformationEagle Eye E-mail
Q&A with An Electric Co-op E/I Technician
14-09-2022
Q&A with An Electric Co-op E/I Technician
In this episode, the Battery Blarney hold a Q&A with Ron Dickinson from Western Farmers Electric Co-op in Oklahoma. They discuss things like the fact that batteries are susceptible to corrosion, which can lead to a thermal runaway event. And when dealing with battery corrosion, it's important to know the signs. One of the most common causes of battery corrosion is from electrolyte or electrolyte vapors emitting from the top of the battery. This can often be caused by overcharging, and can lead to a condition known as thermal runaway. It’s important to keep an eye on your batteries. Make sure that they are properly maintained and that you know what you can do to protect your battery from harm.Episode Highlights:04:05 The common cause I found recently is that, because the seal is damaged in some way or another. You know, electrolyte rips off those terminals and you’ll see, obviously, a corrosion. 08:47 When you clean a post, you should only use a soft kitchen pads, or whatever you call them.12:05 You can try another equalizer and try to equalize charge but it may not solve the problem but it’s good to have at least a very much internal analysis, so I’m always looking for more than one thing to look at to confirm why I think it could be. 21:45 The basis of thermal runaway is that the battery, it gets hot and it’s unable to dissipate that heat. 37:55 One way that can affect the battery is if it’s operated in a very humid condition.Contact informationEagle Eye E-mail
The Challenges of Battery Warranty
24-08-2022
The Challenges of Battery Warranty
In this episode the Battery Blarney Duo, George and Allen discuss the challenges of battery warranty and why battery maintenance is important. Many battery problems can be attributed to a lack of maintenance. Batteries are usually warranted for only a year or two, and many battery manufacturers consider battery failures due to sulfation (a lead acid battery enemy) to be the user's fault. Sulfation occurs when a battery is left in a discharged state for too long. Our society has become accustomed to seeing things work without maintenance until they no longer work, and batteries are no exception. Disposable batteries have spoiled us rotten. With battery ignition, there's very little battery maintenance required other than checking the electrolyte level and keeping it topped off. When was the last time you replaced the battery in your smoke alarm or flashlight? All batteries will eventually die, but with proper care and maintenance, their lives can be prolonged. Episode Highlight02:26 - You have to select the right battery for the application, and that's one of my biggest concerns is, are people getting the right advice?08:07  - A lot of the batteries were not being placed and service properly, there were others sitting on the shelf too long, a lot of people don't realize that a typical battery only has a shelf life of 3-6 months.19:28 - It is also important that you charge the battery according to the manufacturing instructions, because the battery may require different charging voltages.30:43 - Anything that you do to that battery or anything that happens to that battery during its life, should be recorded and all of the information about it should be recorded.Contact informationEagle Eye E-mail
How (Un)Reliable is the Electric Grid?
28-07-2022
How (Un)Reliable is the Electric Grid?
The Battery Blarney duo welcomes Al Warner to talk about the unreliability of the electric grid.The electric grid is one of the most important infrastructure elements in the United States. It's a system of interconnected power plants and transmission lines that delivers electricity to homes and businesses. The grid is also one of the most complex systems in the world, and it's susceptible to a variety of risks. Grid operators must constantly balance supply and demand to maintain a consistent flow of electricity, and they must also contend with severe weather, cyber attacks, and other threats. As a result, the grid is not always reliable. Outages can occur for a variety of reasons, and they can have major consequences. That's why it's important for grid operators to continuously monitor conditions and take steps to mitigate risks. By doing so, they can help ensure that the electric grid remains reliable for the millions of Americans who rely on it every day.Highlights:02:54 - The electric grid today is like playing grid Jenga. If you pull out specific pieces of the grid it will all fall down.12:21 - If I want a fast recharge I`ve got to have a 250kw charger for one vehicle. This is the problem for the electrical grid, it cannot support this kind of spontaneous step load.23:29 - This country really needs a brand new backbone. If these people are serious about the future being electrical we need a whole new backbone.39:41 - The rail system is probably the most economical way to transport goods but the trucking industry took over and the prices were so low but now with the price of fuel, train transporting of goods is becoming more competitive I think.Contact informationEagle Eye E-mail
Applying Stationary Battery Training in the Field
13-07-2022
Applying Stationary Battery Training in the Field
The Battery Blarney duo of George and Allen welcome Joey Davis and Ed Rafter to talk about applying Stationary Battery Training in the Field and Battery Monitoring. Battery training is important for a number of reasons. First, it helps to ensure that employees are properly trained in the use of batteries. Second, it helps to improve the safety of employees by teaching them how to properly handle and use batteries. Third, it helps to improve the efficiency of battery usage by teaching employees how to best maintain and operate batteries. Finally, it helps to improve the overall quality of the battery monitoring industry by teaching employees how to better identify and resolve issues that may arise with batteries. By providing employees with proper training, companies can help to improve the quality of their products and services and ensure that their customers are satisfied with the results.Highlights:02:08 - They badly need training in order to bring people up to speed. This is probably the key to everything that we do. 05:51 - We have some guides coming out which I think will be great tutorials towards helping people and those folks responsible for batteries.18:35 - One of the things that I had found, especially when I go out into the field and do training, not only are you there as a teacher but you end up also being a consultant.20:13 - It takes time to see things happen and learn things and all that you can't just walk in and say hey, I go to a training class so I know it all now.Contact informationEagle Eye E-mail
Reboot: Extreme Weather and Other Pitfalls of the Current Power Grid
22-06-2022
Reboot: Extreme Weather and Other Pitfalls of the Current Power Grid
This June, as we look back on our first 20 episodes, we wanted to revisit two of our favorite topics so far - "Renewables and Alternative Energy Sources" and "Extreme Weather and Other Pitfalls of the Current Power Grid."Please enjoy, and we'll be back with all new episodes in July.In today's episode of DC Power Hour, it is the 1st year anniversary of the Texas power outage. This episode will focus on how extreme weather and the stress on the power grid affects everyone. They kick off the episode with a discussion on climate change and the lack of national support for power plants. They also discuss the advantages and disadvantages of renewable energy. They explore the best practices of European countries and how they can help if applied in the US. This is an episode rich with great thoughts between experts and some things to consider on energy moving forward.*The views expressed in this podcast represent the individuals who share them and are not necessarily those of Eagle Eye Power Solutions, LLC.*Highlights:06:07 We've got what we've got coming. This really is a perfect storm when you think about it. We’ve got an aging infrastructure, really aging infrastructure, we've got aging power plants, money hasn't been spent, we have changing weather patterns, we also have a drive to rely more and more on renewable energy. 20:05 The first major thing we get changed is that people need to start looking at how the return of investment will be the improvement in reliability at less cost and loss of service. 26:57 One of the things in the United States that is different from Europe is their electrical reliability is a lot more superior, not because they do things better, not because they have better people, but because a lot of their utilities are underground.35:55 I've been a proponent of micro nuclear plants for quite a while. You move the power source closer to the end user. 37:50  One thing I've always been curious about, maybe it's just me but, why isn't there more push for hydro? 42:43 All batteries using anodes and cathodes are effectively a metal of some kind because that's the way the atomic system works; the only way you get free electrons is to have a conductor and they're all metals. In order to build a lot of this stuff your gonna be doing a lot of mining, and isn't that pollution?47:42  When it comes to transmission and getting power to the coast and you’re talking about these micro grids. I really think that it's a potential path because some of the biggest things we see are like the “not in my backyard” movement .Contact information:Eagle Eye E-mail
Reboot:  Renewables and Alternative Energy Sources
09-06-2022
Reboot: Renewables and Alternative Energy Sources
This June, as we look back on our first 20 episodes, we wanted to revisit two of our favorite topics so far - "Renewables and Alternative Energy Sources" and "Extreme Weather and Other Pitfalls of the Current Power Grid."Please enjoy, and we'll be back with all new episodes in July.In this first episode, we learned about renewables and alternative energy sources. In the Battery Blarney segment, industry experts George Pedersen and Allan Byrne dive into talking about different topics from solar farms, a combination of other sources, alternatives and much more. In the second segment, we are joined by Jack Andreasen, who is the Manager of Industrial Decarbonization Policy at Breakthrough Energy. He touches on topics regarding building decarbonization, increase in transmission deployment, transmission lines and more. Episode Highlights02:49 If you look at some reports, renewables are going to take over a whole generation of the power grid, which is not possible at the moment. 05:13 I think the thing that most people don't understand is that when you generate electricity, when you cause that electro reaction, the way you start moving atoms around charging atoms, so you get charged ions to create your power, you can’t get rid of it, it's got to be used.08:14 The environmentalist wants all this solar power and wind power. What's that actually doing to the environment?13:57 In most places in the world, if you have a combination of both wind and solar, you get a much more consistent power source. You combine the two together.20:23 I think it's going to be a mixture of everything, we're going to have renewable energy, whether we like it or not.23:06 Education is something as you're realizing, something very dear to my heart at the present moment, but it’s hard work because people come in with preconceived ideas now and somehow, for some reason, scientific facts are no longer the driving force behind anything.35:18 We don't have to build huge networks or distribution to try and support it because one of the things that people should realize is that the network power in those transmission lines that we crisscross the countryside, are also very vulnerable to attack. 39:58 The problem is that we live in a world today where we want a simple answer that will cover everything and that's not the way the world is, it's never been the way the world is.47:23 One of the advantages of gases is that it’s easier to transport than anything else.58:34 We work with Congress, we work with the private sector, we work with other NGOs and think tanks to develop strategies and policy recommendations around ways we think we could decarbonize those various industries.01:02:55 One thing that could really unlock the potential across the country is an increase in transmission deployment.01:05:27 Transmission has been, and will continue to be a huge obstacle in renewable energy deployment going forward.Contact informationEagle Eye E-mail
What's Happened to the Quality of Stand-By Power Installations?
25-05-2022
What's Happened to the Quality of Stand-By Power Installations?
Stand-by power installations are a crucial part of any business or facility. They provide emergency power during outages, ensuring that critical systems keep running. However, many businesses and facilities are finding that the quality of their stand-by power installations is declining. What's causing this decline, and what can be done to improve the situation?The Battery Blarney duo of George and Allen welcome Peter DeMar, the person that led the team that developed the VRLA battery capacity recovery process named the IOVR or IOVR+ process. These processes were created to help users that were experiencing early capacity or capability losses with their VRLA batteries. It has been proven that by utilizing these processes that any structurally sound battery that has suffered from premature capacity failure can be improved, and in most cases restored to a fully functional battery system. Of course, the process must be performed properly and completely to obtain the maximum benefit available.Highlight:03:08 – A lot of it is due to the fact of this continual pressure to get the job done. We've given you two days to do this but nobody went to look at the site to discover what has to be done. That's probably the biggest problem we have.11:44 – A lot of the installation of DC systems is now being left to electrical contractors and they have absolutely no experience to actually install a wire in a DC system.20:02 – It`s critically important to label the hands of the cable, so that we can find which is what.45:03 – I don’t see it being followed throughout the industry so maybe that is one of the things that we need to look out for, training of the various technicians at various skill levels.Contact informationEagle Eye E-mailConnect with Peter DeMarLinkedIn
Battery Monitoring and Data Analysis
11-05-2022
Battery Monitoring and Data Analysis
The Battery Blarney duo of George and Allen welcome Fran Losey, a critical power and power quality professional who has a disciplined military background. His specialties include critical power systems, power distribution, power quality, battery systems, battery monitoring, and advanced analysis of battery systems for risk reduction and lifecycle management.To many, the battery is a mystery. What are they? What do they do? How do they work? In this episode, we'll demystify batteries and take a look at how to monitor them in order to get the most out of your system. By understanding battery behaviors and taking proactive steps to managing them, you can mitigate problems before they arise and maximize uptime. We'll also take a look at some data analysis techniques that can help you understand your battery's health.Highlight:01:30 – One of the craziest things about life is there's absolutely nothing that we do or are involved in that there`s not at some point involved a battery to try and keep it operational.09:18 – Today it is very easy to collect that data, modern electronics are wonderful. You can measure almost anything you want to, and you can collect data. The big problem is how do you make sure that data you`re collecting are accurate?17:40 – The measurement techniques, because they`re all not the same and with that you have to have a fairly decent understanding of what you are looking at and what the risks are.28:46 – Everything is a compromise. What you have to do is to say which of the compromises you`re willing to accept and what you`re going to do about it.Contact informationEagle Eye E-mailConnect with Fran LoseyLinkedIn
How to Properly Charge a Stationary Battery
06-04-2022
How to Properly Charge a Stationary Battery
The Battery Blarney duo of George and Allen welcome Ed Rogers, National Service Support Manager at EnerSys, to talk about battery charging. The topic of proper battery charging is one of Allen’s passions and they discuss what happens when you undercharge and overcharge a battery. All batteries are not equal and the discussion covers temperature compensation and the  difficulty of determining the state of charge of a battery. They talk about freshening the charge per the manufacturer’s guidelines, lack of education on why it’s necessary to follow those guidelines, and the importance of optimizing battery life.Highlights:01:25 One thing I found in common with warranty claims, in over 50% of them, the paperwork that accompanied them showed the batteries were not being properly charged.05:34 Corporate training teaches people how to do something, but it doesn’t teach them why they’re doing it. Basically education comes in two forms: you’ve got to educate the people, and then you can tell them how to do something. I think that’s one of the biggest problems we have at the present moment that people have been asked to do things and they don’t understand why they’re doing them. 15:30 Overcharging has a much more devastating effect. When you overcharge a battery, you’re shoving in more current than the battery can handle. Current causes heat.23:49 The battery itself, as it’s manufactured and leaves the factory, it’s only ever going to be in two states after that. It’s always going to be in discharge or it’s always going to be in charge.52:18 We’ve known the use of zinc and manganese and nickel. They’ve been available almost since the start of battery technology, but they had chemical things that made them difficult to use. Some of that’s been overcome now.Contact informationEagle Eye E-mail
Ohmic Values and Battery Testing
02-03-2022
Ohmic Values and Battery Testing
In today’s episode, we spread deep knowledge in the battery industry and look at how ohmic measurement and ohmic values play a crucial role in battery testing. The Battery Blarney Duo, George and Allen, discuss data trending, the most significant things to look at when monitoring a battery, the value of low capacity cells, and acceptance of ohmic value. In the second segment, they are joined by industry expert and friend, Peter DeMar of Battery Research and Testing for almost 40 years.  Peter shared his background and they discuss artificial intelligence, indication of battery health, place for ohmic testing for batteries with advanced chemistry, ohmic testers and UPS.Highlights:16:14 You’ve got to look at everything. This is probably my biggest concern when we talk about ohmic measurement is this almost pathological belief that that is the only value that matters. We have to go back to the original battery technicians, think about what they did. They’re looking at everything, they are looking at temperature, they are looking at the voltage.21:37 You need some very accurate instrument tape devices in order to measure those voltages and also the problem of noise at the same time because batteries are not as quiet as people think they are.22:47 Why do we have to have this value, why must we have limits? Eventually I do believe we will see artificial intelligence get involved because AI doesn’t need limits, it recognizes those changes and variations.41:37 In improvements or inclusions or whatever the right word is. With artificial intelligence and machines and programs in understanding what they’re looking at we’re going to make improvements. The information or analysis coming out of them might be more beneficial.Contact information:Eagle Eye E-mail