The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Join intellectual phenomenon Dr. Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila for enlightening discourse that will change the way you think. This podcast breaks down the dichotomy of life through interviews and lectures that explain how individuals and culture are shaped by values, music, religion, and beyond. It will give you a new perspective and a modern understanding of your creativity, competence, and personality.
S4 E75: Free Speech and Cambridge | James Orr & Arif Ahmed | The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: • All JBP Podcast episodes are ad-free. • Monthly Ask Me Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions). • Presale access to events. • Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes. Sign up here: https://jordanbpeterson.supercast.com/ This episode was recorded on October 11th, 2021. Dr. Arif Ahmed and Dr. James Orr come on to discuss what led to the University of Cambridge rescinding my invitation to speak there. We get into the difficulty of change in universities, anonymous reporting, the dangers of limiting free speech, microaggressions, the importance of humor, and more. Arif Ahmed MBE is a philosopher, lecturer at Cambridge, and author of “Saul Kripke”. His interests include decision theory and religion from an atheist and libertarian point of view. In the aftermath of the Cambridge incident, Dr. Ahmed remained a vocal advocate for political diversity.  Dr. James Orr is a university lecturer in philosophy of religion at Cambridge and author of “The Mind of God and the Works of Nature.” He is a regular contributor to The Times Literary Supplement and The Critic. Dr. Ahmed’s profile: https://phil.cam.ac.uk/people/teaching-research-pages/ahmed “Saul Kripke”: https://amazon.com/Kripke-Bloomsbury-Contemporary-American-Thinkers/dp/0826492622 Dr. Orr’s profile: https://divinity.cam.ac.uk/directory/dr-james-orr “The Mind of God and Works of Nature”: https://amazon.co.uk/Mind-God-Works-Nature-Philosophical/dp/9042937629 _______________ Timestamps  _______________ [00:00] Intro  [01:13] The Cambridge repeal [09:41] A case for the repealers, their potential fears [10:19] Photos “don’t imply a position—that was one of the most outrageous things, ‘endorsement by association…’ As if standing next to someone implies [you’re in agreement]" - Dr. Ahmed [14:11] Changes in free speech policy  [19:54] Speaking Up: Consequences [25:28] The difficulty of change in university [27:36] “You become what you practice” - Jordan Peterson [27:45] “If you put off fights, they don't usually get better” - Jordan Peterson [35:53] Being Silent: Perils [36:04] “In general, with any coercive principle, think what might happen in the hands of someone wicked and tyrannical. That's how we should think about these things” - Dr. Ahmed [41:46] "The idea that you should remove everything that could threaten someone's identity and you should make that a university-wide policy is actually, exactly the opposite of what you should do, speaking clinically if you're trying to help people become more resilient" - Dr. Peterson [44:32] Microaggressions and the importance of humor [44:33] "There’s no such thing as a joke that isn't a microaggression. Jokes aren't funny unless they're microaggressions–especially witty ones" - Dr. Peterson [47:19] Anonymous voting & reporting [49:52] "Politics is downstream from culture [and, for better or worse,] culture is generated in universities" - Dr. Peterson [49:59] “What happens on campus doesn't stay on campus" - Dr. Orr [50:50] "The point about anonymous reporting is that... you can't come back to them to check their evidence. The person who has been accused can't face their accuser. There’s no possibility of due process” - Dr. Ahmed [54:51] Anonymous reports circumventing due process [57:55] Tyranny & Free Speech [59:17] Details about the vote; university bureaucracy [01:05:56] UK legislation post-Cambridge   [01:13:06] Anti-education & ideological purity tests at university [01:15:36] "I've heard students say ‘Well, I just write what the professor wants...’ It's like no – writing is thinking and if you don't think, that becomes part of you – those words become part of you [and] that's not bad education, it's anti-education" - Dr. Peterson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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1 hr 24 mins
S4 E74: Talking with Russians
As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: • All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free • Monthly Ask-Me-Anything • Presale access to events • Premium, detailed deep-dive show notes on future episodes. episodes (and the ability to ask questions) Sign up here: https://jordanbpeterson.supercast.com/ Mikhail Avdeev interviews Jordan Peterson in this episode. Jordan Peterson has as strong of an international following as ever with his lectures translated into fourteen languages. On his last speaking tour, he visited thirty plus number of countries speaking on the twelve rules and continues to foster relationships and connections with thinkers, speakers, and fans from around the globe. Shownotes: [00:00] Jordan Petersons is interviewed in this episode by Mikhail Avdeev, a member of his foreign translations team. The interview focuses on the impact of Petersons work beyond the western world on the international community as a whole. They begin the discussion by talking about the forming of the international translation teams. [02:00] The healing effect of Jordan's lectures on people's personal life. The outcry for new material from jordans catalog of books, lectures, and podcasts has been overwhelming.  [05:20] Peterson comments on another personal favorite author of his Mircea Eliade and his history of Religious Ideas. It’s an anthropological and sociological assessment of religion but it’s also deeply psychological. [06:40] How do Russian views respond to Jordan's affinity for Alexander Solzhenitsyn? Mikail details the feelings of the Russian people by their portrayal after the fall of communism. [10:00] How we deal with the guilt of the things our ancestors or society has done is a very difficult question because as humans we are very historical creatures. The best thing for us is to try to understand what happened and therefore try not to do it again in the future because all of us are living with this to some degree. [13:30] examining the trope that all white people are racist or white supremacist and this stems from the existential guilt of history. [20:00] Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Daniel Dennett seem to equate that religious belief is a set of propositions about the material world, in a way a direct competitor to scientific theory, and that’s just not fully accurate. There is something outside of strictly rationality in the human experience. [34:20] Fragmentation of the value structure necessarily leads to an increased level of constant anxiety in all experience [36:30] What parts of modern society are contributing to the integrity of consciousness, and what things are degrading that. A hatred for real success and striving for personal gain will tear us apart if it continues unchecked. [43:30] There is no doubt that economic exploitation occurs and that some wealth is gained in an unethical manner, but that is not the rule. [45:45] - Asking about the importance of beauty in all of our personal experiences as well as our collective experience as humans. [51:00] interesting to consider the differences in Fyodor Dostoevsky and Friedrich Nietzsche closeness to the ideal of beauty [56:30] The complexity of the language of Beyond Order:12 More Rules for Life. What is Jordan's process for increasing the precision of his speech and writing?  [1:03:30] The divinity of the true word and the way this has been translated through Jordan’s book Beyond Order. Peterson's philosophy behind good writing and text structure of a truly complete work. [1:13:40] Mikhaila Peterson has had to choose to be strong because she has had so much suffering to overcome in her life. It’s wonderful to see her succeeding in her personal endeavors like her weekly podcast. [1:20:15] How do we best teach our children in a way that fosters their individual growth and a love of learning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
6d ago
1 hr 42 mins
S4 E73: Evolution & the Challenges of Modern Life | Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying
This episode was recorded on October 5th, 2021. Podcasters and evolutionary biology power-couple Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying join me to discuss a variety of topics related to their new book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century. We explore topics like niche-switching, what Darwin got wrong, Twitter, sources for modern values, hyper-novelty, the aftermath of progress, parenthood, and sexual selection – just to name a few. Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying are evolutionary biologists, former Evergreen State College professors, and the current hosts of the DarkHorse podcast. You may also know Bret through Joe Rogan, or as the twice-moderator for Jordan’s debates with Sam Harris. The couple’s book, titled “A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life,” asks why the most prosperous age in history has scarcely offset suicide rates, tribal division, loneliness, and human misery. Follow Bret at: https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein And Heather at: https://twitter.com/HeatherEHeying The DarkHorse Podcast: https://bretweinstein.net/podcast A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life: https://amazon.com/gp/product/B08VF32DXK/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0 ______________ Shownotes ______________ [00:00] Intro [00:30] Guests’ background [01:32] A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century – why they wrote it [04:30] “Values might not be [scientifically] defensible. Taken to the extreme, it might be hard to explain why existing is better than not" - Bret Weinstein [05:07] “We believe that any credible 'ought' needs to be scientifically informed" - BW [05:45] Learning to negotiate hyper-novelty in the modern world. The extremely fast rate of progress and change [06:56] “The amazing rate of change we’ve created is itself deranging us and making it very difficult to understand and remember how to be human” - Heather Heying [08:18] “It's not that progress is bad – the benefit of progress is often tremendous, but it almost always comes with important unintended consequences” - BW [09:26] Our incredible ability to adapt by “niche-switching” [15:41] Unintended consequences & modern sleeping [22:45] Twitter as a giant social experiment; what happens when you can (sort of) communicate with everyone? [25:22] “If people treated each other the way they do on Twitter, they’d get beaten up with enough regularity to stop them. So the net effect [might make us] nicer, right?” - BW [25:47] The importance of nonverbal communication; physical and chemical ways humans communicate [29:57] Small talk, gaging social skills, and nonverbal cues [31:28] “Small talk lets you take a room’s temperature–literally and metaphorically" - Heather Heying [32:35] Objections to evolutionary theory: A critique of some key Darwinian tenets [38:28] Play & Evolution [42:08] Intelligence in mate selection amongst bowerbirds [53:12] How Heather conceptualizes male/female status hierarchies [55:57] Sex, gender, and how they’re linked [01:06:44] The Hero's journey and the importance of new storytelling [01:13:42] The adaptive valley picture in evolutionary biology [01:13:46] “I'm trying to update our understanding of stories rather than the stories themselves" - Jordan Peterson [01:21:29] podcasts & collective listening [01:27:26] Parenting & Children [01:27:46] “Children will destroy your life and replace it with a better one" - BW [01:28:52] Parenting & Relationships [01:30:03] Wrapping up #Biology #Evolution #Gender #Pârenting #Darwin // SPONSORS // For Advertising Inquiries, visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheJordanBPetersonPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 38 mins
S4 E 72: The Problem with AtheismS4 E71: Fortitude: American Resilience | Dan CrenshawS4 E70: Don't Climate Panic - An Investigation into The Proposed Solutions to Climate ChangeS4 E69: Jordan Peterson, God, and Christianity with Word on Fire
This episode was recorded on September 6, 2021. Dr. Christopher Kaczor, Dr. Matthew Petrusek, and I discuss their new book “Jordan Peterson, God, and Christianity”—the first systematic analysis of 12 Rules for Life and my biblical series from a Christian perspective. We also cover—just to name a few—truth in fiction, time before consciousness, faith, evolution, love, and acting as if God exists. Dr. Christopher Kaczor is a Professor of Philosophy at Loyola Marymount University. He was appointed a Corresponding Member of the Pontifical Academy for Life of Vatican City, is a fellow of the Word on Fire Institute, and won a Templeton Grant for his work. He has written many scholarly articles and books. Dr. Matthew R. Petrusek is an associate professor at Loyola Marymount University in LA. He holds an MA from Yale and a PhD from the University of Chicago. Dr. Petrusek specializes in Christian ethics and moral theology and lectures on a range of topics surrounding philosophy, theology, and Catholicism. Find more Dr. Christopher Kaczor on Twitter @Prof_Kaczor: https://twitter.com/prof_kaczor And more Dr. Matthew Petrusek @MattPetrusek: https://twitter.com/MattPetrusek Get their book at https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095J3SB9M/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0 [00:00] Intro [02:26] The motivation behind "Jordan Peterson, God, and Christianity" [09:34] Genesis, the literal sense in scripture and the truth in fiction [10:21] "The Atheist types miss that fiction isn't false" Jordan Peterson [11:45] "A story that can change your life has a power that is best described as religious" JP [12:23] Truth in fiction and religious text [14:00] "I think truth is broader [than the empirically verifiable]" [18:44] The problem with the empirical approach and replacing God [22:07] "[When] Ceasar becomes inflated to God, all hell breaks loose" JP [22:35] "If we don't segregate off the religious instinct and give it its proper attention, [everything] starts becoming inappropriately contaminated with religious longing. That's why you see [division and] the rise in powerful political ideologies" JP [23:32] On the perversion of the religious instinct [25:41] The Bible's warning in Noah and the tower of Babel [30:43] Time before consciousness [36:43] "Matter at the quantum level makes it difficult to think of a universe without conscious observers" JP  [40:45] Are science and religion at odds?  [44:00] Dr. Petrusek on science/religion [46:31] On Faith [54:52] Imitating the spirit of the Father [54:56] "You can conceptualize Christ as the representation of all things admirable." JP [57:53] "Faith is the willingness to act that out in the world" JP [01:00:27] Why we must strive to be good [01:01:12] "I am loved and I wish to love, and I recognize that I will fail time and time again" Matthew Petrusek [01:05:26] Evolution and religion [01:11:09] The creation of the universe [01:11:36] The church and Dr. Peterson's popularity [01:15:41] "Faith cannot oppose reason" MP [01:16:48] The challenge of drawing younger people to church [01:33:31] Acting as if God exists [01:36:37] "Your life isn’t about you and your own thoughts" MP [01:39::46] "When people fall in love with one another, they see the perfection that could conceivably exist. It's like the curtains of illusion pull apart momentarily, and you see the paradisal state that could be there" JP [01:40:10] God's love and the love between a parent and a child [01:43:07] How to treat those we love [01:43:29] "The more love you view other people with, the higher the moral demand that’s placed on you" JP [01:44:25] “I think there’s too much moral authority in the church" JP [01:43:39] The ten commandments; the moral load of sin [01:49:25] Understanding hell [01:55:22] More on Word on Fire [01:58:04] The Exodus lectures #Christianity #Evolution #Meaning #God #Faith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
2 hrs 10 mins
S4 E68: Voice of the Canadian West | Preston ManningS4 E67: Progress of the Human Race, Part 2S4 E66: Islam and the Possibilities of Peace | Mohammed Hijab
This episode was recorded on November 10th, 2021. In this episode, philosopher Mohammed Hijab joined me to discuss a wide array of topics, such as the traditionalist interpretation of Islam, its metanarrative, the story of the prophet Muhammad, and some common ground among monotheistic Abrahamic religions. Mohammed Hijab is an author and philosopher whose main interests lie in political philosophy, philosophy of religion, and comparative religion. He seeks to spread a better understanding of traditionalist Islam while engaging with prominent thinkers and philosophers worldwide. Find more from Mohammed Hijab on Twitter: https://twitter.com/mohammed_hijab [00:00] Intro [01:48] What beliefs and practices are central to Islam? [04:12] Islam’s unmoved mover argument for God and the universe [07:30] “Things made of parts... must be contingent on being created by something else, a sorting mechanism [that] doesn’t necessitate [creation itself].” Mohammed Hijab [08:25] “It is problematic, through the lens of Islam... for there to be a god of a triune nature like [in] Christianity.” MH [08:58] “Islam does not believe that there’s an element of divinity... in human beings.” MH [10:09] “The word Islam does not mean peace; it means submission. Islam believes that everything in the universe submits to God.” MH [10:57] The metanarrative of Islam [12:12] Mohammed’s view of worship and belief [12:48] “We believe in... the inherent belief in God implanted in humans.” MH [15:20] What’s the purpose of belief? [17:00] The instinct for God arguments vs new atheists [18:27] The Muslim ideal for worship, compared [24:36] Muslims and Christians as followers of Jesus Christ [27:59] How does Dr. Peterson envision the spark of divinity? [28:25] “The divine spark is embodied virtue... reflective of the highest value, operating at a local scale.” JP [29:42] How are the attributes of God knowable to a Muslim? The importance of the original version of the Quran [35:07] “Islam is an evangelizing religion... we want everyone to embrace it.” MH [35:31] Bridges to Islam [38:50] “I’m speaking from the perspective of someone who’s a traditionalist Muslim and not a liberal or enlightened Muslim.” MH [40:47] An abridged story of the prophet Muhammad. The Mecca and Medina periods. Rationalizing the warrior emphasis of many Muslim teachings [44:10] Muhammad’s warrior traits and Hijab’s interpretation [49:20] Exploring the terms “warlord” and “defensive wars.” [50:54] In Hijab’s opinion, what’s the central driving force behind the expansion of Islam? [52:10] “Islam has the capability of being expansive through war... and of making peace treaties. It does and should do whatever’s in its best interest, just like every country.” MH [55:39] Against totalitarianism [58:46] “Evangelising isn’t the same as compelling.” MH [58:56] “Let the best story win. I would say that the proper mode of conversion is something like a shining example.” JP [01:00:28] M.Hijab on western misconceptions of Islam [01:03:20] Other seldom-discussed aspects of Islam [01:08:53] M.Hijab’s take on the war in Serbia [01:11:05] The economic output of Islamic countries [01:15:18] M.Hijab on why the traditionalist view is superior to a liberal one [01:21:34] The struggles of belief. How can we check our own views? [01:23:44] Wrapping up #Islam #Christianity #God #Quran #Jesus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 35 mins
S4 E65: The Progress of the Human Race, Part 1
All we ever hear about on the mainstream news is that the world is in dire straights, that we are going in an irreversible direction, and that it is all our fault. Throughout many conversations in Season 4 of this podcast, we have explored these narratives in depth. We would like to promote an alternative narrative... Did you know that in 1981, 42% of the world’s population was living in what is called “absolute poverty” and by 2018, that number had fallen to 8.1%? By 2030, we are on pace to have less than 5% of the world’s population living in poverty.  Are you aware that alongside nearly eradicating poverty, we have also nearly ended world hunger? Over the last 50 years, we have added nearly 1,000 calories per day to the world food supply average. The world’s poorest region, Sub-Saharan Africa, has roughly the same access to food as Portugal did in the 1960s. As of the last survey in 2017, only 2 out of 173 nations in the world have food access averages under 2,000 calories per day.  We have also drastically increased the supply of tree coverage across the globe, resources are being used more efficiently than ever before, and the global economy has grown by over 100x over the last 200 hundred years. There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about certain specific issues that we still need to improve; but overall, the data is undeniable. We are living in an age of seemingly-impossible progress in nearly every sector imaginable. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 9 mins
S4 E64: Fix This: Infrastructure & Environment | Gregg Hurwitz and Rick Geddes | JBP Podcast
This episode was recorded on November 9th, 2021. Jordan Peterson, Gregg Hurwitz, and Rick Geddes meet to discuss the debate surrounding the multi-billion dollar infrastructure bill currently going through the US congress. Rick Geddes is a professor in the Department of Policy Analysis and Management at Cornell University and a well-recognized expert in American infrastructure policy and development. He has done extensive research on infrastructure, including but not limited to the funding, financing, operation, and maintenance of major projects with a focus on new technologies. Gregg Hurwitz was today’s co-host. Gregg is a former student of Jordan’s at Harvard. He is now a bestselling scriptwriter, producer, and novelist. In the years leading up to the presidential election, Gregg has been working with an independent team of Hollywood writers, producers, and directors to design a moderate, far-reaching political message for the democratic party. Find more Rick Geddes online here: https://aei.org/profile/r-richard-geddes Find More Gregg Hurwitz on Twitter: https://twitter.com/GreggHurwitz Check out Gregg’s bestselling books: https://amazon.com/Gregg-Hurwitz/e/B001IXPXTG [00:00] Intro [00:30] Jordan introduces this week’s guests to discuss the newly-proposed infrastructure legislation (winter '21)—a crucial bill for the American people [03:28] Geddes gives an overview of infrastructure and his background therein [07:46] The monumental accomplishment of the US interstate highway system. Could it be built again today? [11:10] “You've heard the adage that time is money. [That's] certainly the case with infrastructure. When a project gets delayed by the NEPA process for say 5 years, the amount of extra money spent... is enormous, it can sometimes double" Rick Geddes [14:42] Gregg Hurwitz highlights the unsophisticated way the media and most politicians are currently handling the infrastructure bill [16:02] “It seems like we can get very little sane discussion in the media on the role that regulation plays in building a renewing infrastructure" GH [16:40] Extra delay and cost in federally funded projects is a regressive tax that hurts the poor and middle class [22:02] Pressure on the infrastructure bill from climate change. Looking at the evolution of new technologies to improve the efficiency of current infrastructure [25:49] “If infrastructure development means replacing inefficient use of resources with efficient use of resources, that should be a net gain on the economic side, so it helps poor people, and it should also have environmental benefits" Dr. Peterson [26:07] What are our current top infrastructure priorities? What needs to be addressed and fixed ASAP? [35:31] We need to capitalize more on the utility of combined public and private ventures in infrastructure projects [52:32] The importance of defining and communicating what a successful infrastructure project looks like [55:36] Given our systemic problems, how can we give politicians and private firms a positive incentive for meaningful participation? [01:03:14] You can only focus on so many projects before outsourcing becomes a necessity [01:12:19] You'd be extremely naive to believe that the people sustaining our infrastructure systems are only in it for personal gain [01:16:48] The extraordinary reliability of the societal infrastructure system [01:18:47] “The idea that it's just power that drives people to the top of organizations isn't true because, if it were, we would have many more psychopaths and they would be way more successful" JP [01:23:15] What about infrastructure projects that should be started immediately? [01:25:44] “This is the ultimate bipartisan thing because it will reduce greenhouse gases, diesel emissions, improve the efficiency of our infrastructure, and it's right there on the table" RG [01:26:21] Outro #InfrastructureBill #Bipartisan #PublicVentures #ClimateChange #Infrastructure Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 36 mins
S4 E63: The Symbolic World | A Lecture by Jonathan PageauS4 E62: The Uniting Power of Story | Angus Fletcher | Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
This episode was recorded on September 7, 2021. Angus Fletcher and I discuss creativity, the link between literature and resilience, what makes for compelling narratives, the different kinds of stories, and much more. Angus Fletcher is a Professor of Story Science at Ohio State's Project Narrative, the world's leading academic think-tank for narrative theory. He is also the author of Wonderworks: The 25 Most Important Inventions in the History of Literature. Find more Angus Fletcher on his website: https://AngusFletcher.co [00:00] Intro [01:21] What is Project Narrative? [02:27] "Stories are the most powerful things ever invented. They're the most powerful tool we possess" Angus Fletcher [03:04] "When you realize stories have the power to change how our mind works, to troubleshoot it, to make it more resilient, more creative, more scientific—to do all these things... When you couple the power of stories with the human brain, you throw open the doors to anything" AF [03:53] The problem with literary studies. How stories empower us and improve performance [07:06] Wonderworks and the story of courage in Homer's Iliad [12:40] "Literature and scripture are synonyms. They mean 'that which is written.' So [something] more fundamental than any technology... Is simply that sense of spiritual experience" AF [13:18] The Neuropsychology of Anxiety by J. Grey [14:44] What are the 2 kinds of stories? [19:12] Story thinking [19:22] "Human cognition is largely narrative. We process the world narratively" AF [22:12] "The wonder of being on this earth... is to build stories and [empower people] to tell their own" AF "And to unite us in a collective story so we can work towards the same ends" JP [23:00] Why are certain stories so compelling? [24:48] The zone of proximal development [25:44] "Being enthralled is a manifestation of the instinct that specifies the zone of proximal development" JP [31:24] The ideal spirit transcending the individual; Jung's Pleroma [32:14] "The flip side of anxiety is creativity—they're both about restless energy" AF [33:31] What's the source of dreams? [33:55] "We have this vast knowledge in embodied action." A great storyteller takes "images that reflect a compelling pattern of behavior [and verbalizes them]” JP [34:56] Abstract representation of patterns as a dream-source [38:43] Computational power, stories, and the differences between the abstract and particular [38:48] "Much of what drives the demand for higher computational resources is... producing artificial realities for fantasy simulation" JP  [45:51] Christianity and Star Wars [46:35] "Star Wars is Christianity for atheist nerds" JP [46:56] "We are most happy when we don't perceive ourselves as inheriting an archetypal story" AF [48:16] "We see in stories, and this is partly why our eyes are adapted... so that people can see [the white in] our eyes. It's really important because [our eyes point at] what they're interested in. We can see what they value [and] infer their motivation" JP [50:36] Literature and psychedelic experiences [51:27] "In psychotherapy... you're trying to hammer the person's narrative into a single... functional unit" JP [55:31] Trauma, unconscious mapping, and dream analysis [56:56] "Any territory you cannot perceive through the overlaid projection of a narrative map is traumatizing" JP  [59:59] Jung, Joseph Campbell, and Erich Neumann [01:02:51] Jung vs Darwin on stories [01:10:18] "Literature can build emotional and intellectual resilience" AF [01:14:55] Being adaptive is “to be emotionally and intellectually resilient" AF [01:15:54] Creative training; measuring creativity #Creativity #Stories #Jung #Literature #Darwin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 39 mins
S4 E61: Meaning, Awe and Conceptualization of God - pt. 3S4 E60: The 4 Horsemen of Meaning | Bishop Barron, John Vervaeke, and Jonathan Pageau | JBP Podcast
This episode was recorded on September 10th 2021. Jordan Peterson, Bishop Barron, John Vervaeke, and Jonathan Pageau have a round table to explore ideas and theories of Meaning. All three guests have been on the podcast before, and all share Jordan’s passion for the universal truths of human experience. This deep discussion explores the roots of Meaning and religious significance. Bishop Barron is the founder of Word on Fire and the auxiliary bishop of the archdiocese of LA. John Vervaeke is a colleague of Jordan’s and an associate professor at the University of Toronto since 1994. He teaches courses on reasoning, cognitive development, and higher cognitive processes. Jonathan Pageau is a symbolic thinker, YouTuber, and class carver of orthodox icons. - Find more Bishop Barron on YouTube: https://youtube.com/user/wordonfirevideo And here: https://wordonfire.org/ Find more John Vervaeke online on his website: http://johnvervaeke.com John's YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCpqDUjTsof-kTNpnyWper_Q Find more Jonathan Pageau on YouTube: https://youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQ  Jonathan's website: http://www.pageaucarvings.com _________ [00:00] Preview [01:30] Intro [02:40] Everyone gives their answer to “What is meaning?” [03:30] “We're using meaning as a metaphor... something similar to the way a sentence works. It has intelligibility to it that connects us to the world... so that we can interact and be informed by it” Jon Vervaeke [07:22] “Our mental framing is transparent like a pair of glasses, but there are times we need to step back and, by taking the glasses off and examining them, consider our framing structure" JV [09:10] “When you look at the world there is a central point of focus. When you focus on the point with your eyes it becomes very clear... until we no longer perceive anything by the edge of our vision. It's nothingness, it's just not there" Jordan Peterson [13:56] Bishop Barron's view on meaning and religion [14:23] “I would say that meaning is to be in a purposeful relationship to a value" Bishop Robert Barron [17:55] “So I'm talking to you, which I believe is a good, but it's nested in a higher good and a still higher good, so finally I want not just this particular good but good itself—that's a religious relationship" BRB [18:20] Pageau’s opening thoughts on meaning and religion [19:56] “The reason we perceive hierarchy is because we are always judging... or trying to evaluate whether something’s good" Pageau [20:31] Jordan’s brief foray into “mini-celebrations” [21:53] The idea of revelation [24:46] “It isn't obvious to me that we see objects—we see patterns" JP [27:40] “Like a Rolling Stone—it wasn't the first song I liked, but it was the first that rocked my world and rearranged my mind, and I think that's where real value is" BRB [28:42] Underlying causes of the crisis of meaning [30:10] “Something that starts with Scotus... and goes into the heart of the scientific revolution is that there’s no such thing as levels—reality just is" JV [31:00] Science around the hierarchy of intelligibility and connectedness [33:00] What is science? [39:00] “There’s an epistemic hierarchy and science does not belong on the top" BRB [42:00] “As scientists, we are motivated by a narrative we don't understand scientifically… The whole enterprise is driven by a dream whose reality can't be encapsulated within the process itself" JP [44:00] The ignorance in assuming science OR religion are correct [44:40] Eminationist ontologies [55:30] Religious experiences [01:07:30] The book of Revelations as a psychedelic experience. [01:17:30] The Psychedelic problem and why psychedelics are useful in communal experiences. [01:26:00] Jordan’s biblical lectures [01:32:00] What are the guests working on? [01:36:00] Beauty in churches [01:38:00] Growing up Christian [01:44:00] Possibility is real [01:50:00] Joining religion and science [02:03:30] Wrapping up #Meaning #Psychology #Religion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
2 hrs 7 mins
S4 E59: Meaning, Awe and Conceptualization of God - pt. 2S4 E58: The Immaculate Conception: Bitcoin vs Fiat Standard | Dr. Saifedean Ammous
This episode was recorded on September 8th 2021. Saifedean Ammous is an expert on Bitcoin with a PhD from Columbia University. He joins Dr. Peterson to discuss decentralization, different schools of economics, the Fiat vs. Bitcoin standards, and much more. Dr. Ammous is the author of The Bitcoin Standard, widely considered the essential book on the economics of Bitcoin. He also hosts a podcast of the same name. His new book, The Fiat Standard, should be out in November. _ Find Saifedean here: https://twitter.com/saifedean Saifedean’s online learning platform: http://saifedean.com (20% off by using the code “Peterson”) The Bitcoin Standard: http://saifedean.com/thebitcoinstandard The Fiat Standard: http://saifedean.com/thefiatstandard _________ [00:18] Intro [02:34] What are hard monetary assets? [06:13] The argument for bitcoin being the best hard money ever created [09:11] "Bitcoin only has users... no admins. There is nobody with a master key" - Saifedean Ammous [10:36] How the Bitcoin network functions using "consensus parameters" [15:49] "The way that Bitcoin came about seems... virtually impossible to believe" - Jordan Peterson [18:27] Other schools of economics (Austrian) vs. the most common today (Keynesian) [20:46] "So the Austrian school of economics... tilts you more towards an appreciation of non-centrally controlled, distributed networks, and emphasis on the individual actor" - JP [23:25] Paul Samuelson and communist economic expectations of centralized planning post-WW2 [25:27] Dr. Ammous' academic background [27:14] Climate change. The push towards central planning, implying certain people or groups know the exact consequences and solutions to future economic developments [29:41] "I've been struck by the problem of unintended consequences and the irreducible complexity of things. We can talk about the problem of climate change, but those words are incredibly deceiving" - JP [34:16] Highlighting the crucial role of the entrepreneur in Austrian economics [40:46] Saifedean reflects on the views held by the central bank, governments, and mainstream economists on money—as opposed to Bitcoin's structuring and the Austrian school of thought [41:43] "From the Austrian perspective, money is a product of the market and not the invention of the state. The state's meddling in money... is irrational and cannot succeed for the same reasons central planning does not succeed" - SA [45:50] Overview of Dr. Ammous' book The Fiat Standard [54:40] Current inflation in Western democracies. The devastating effect of hyperinflation on the average person [58:15] "Money is an incredible technology for lowering our time preference" - SA [58:59] "The 20th century was a global trainwreck of watching the money preference rise. Generation after generation... witnessed their money devalue" - SA [01:02:32] Why some efforts in energy production are misguided [01:06:39] The Fiat Standard [01:10:29] Why are we allowing people to mine bitcoin? [01:12:46] The genius that went into the production of the Bitcoin code [01:23:14] The crazy reality of decision-making at climate change panels [01:26:36] Fiat-based currency jobs and the Zoom warriors disconnected from the physical world [01:31:09] "A lot of the problems of the 20th century, in my opinion, have their roots in highly inflationary fiat currency" - SA [01:31:18] Covering some of the common objections against Bitcoin [01:39:45] "We are always going to find more reasons to print money" - SA [01:41:43] Ammous’ online learning platform [01:48:29] The growth of Saifedeen.com and the parameters attributed to its success [01:50:05] The possibility of decentralizing societal accreditation [01:50:21] "I've talked to seriously wise academics who know that there is almost zero financial knowledge in universities [today]... There is tremendous residual value, however, in the accreditation" - JP [01:56:18] Wrapping up #Crypto #FiatStandard #Bitcoin #JordanPeterson #Decentralization Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
2 hrs 6 mins
S4 E57: Meaning, Awe and Conceptualization of God - pt. 1S4: E56 Islam, Christ, and Liberty | Mustafa Akyol
This episode was recorded on October 18th, 2021. Mustafa Akyol joins me to discuss Muslim history and tradition. We touch on subjects like Jesus Christ from a Christian and Muslim perspective, the Virgin Mary's role in the Quran, separation of church and state as an ideology, the dangers of literalism when facing religious texts, and much more. Mustafa Akyol is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute's Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity, where he focuses on the intersection of public policy, Islam, and modernity. He's contributed as an opinion writer for the New York Times since 2013, covering politics and religion in the Muslim world. Published by W. W. Norton, his 2011 book, "Islam Without Extremes: A Muslim Case for Liberty," presents a strong argument for Islamic liberalism. The book was long-listed for the Lionel Gelber Prize for best nonfiction book. It was also praised by The Financial Times as "a forthright and elegant Muslim defense of freedom." His other books include "Reopening Muslim Minds" and "The Islamic Jesus." Find Mustafa's most important book, "Reopening Muslim Minds," here https://amazon.com/Reopening-Muslim-Minds-Freedom-Tolerance His book "The Islamic Jesus," discussed in this episode, is at https://amazon.com/Islamic-Jesus-Became-Prophet-Muslims Find a free PDF of his book "Why, As a Muslim, I Defend Liberty" at https://libertarianism.org/books/why-muslim-i-defend-liberty Or visit his page at the Cato Institute: https://cato.org/people/mustafa-akyol _____ [00:00] Introduction [02:47] Regarding the separation of church and state, what do Christians and Muslims have in common? [10:36] What are some similarities between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam? [11:05] "I see the world's history, and I see a Judeo-Christian/Islamic history because it's all Abrahamic monotheism starting at Judaism." Mustafa Akyol [11:46] What the Three Abrahamic religions have in common—monotheism, rooting in the same tradition; and strange insistence on a book as the bedrock of culture [12:45] Unique ideas of religious and societal tolerance through different ages in history [21:10] The connection Jesus and Islam [28:45] What is the totalitarian impulse? [29:30] "I think it is an understatement of the severity of the totalitarian problem to attribute it merely to the religious." - Jordan Peterson [31:27] Critiquing the inevitable flaws of the purely secular state. The benefits of a higher law on the unification of people and not deifying human rulers [34:59] "There is another value in Sharia law—[it] was separate from the rulers, even above the rulers." - Mustafa Akyol [39:35] Briefly touching on the ruling class in Saudi Arabia. A brief history of the Wahhabi's rise to power, and how a group of extreme thinkers gained more power than would have been naturally possible [45:36] Bad Ideas from the West are, in fact, devastating [48:45] A modern Muslim's take on religion, power, and the birth of Islam with the prophet Muhammad [55:15] "The whole thorny moral problem of what to do when you are being oppressed is not something let's say as a species we have figured out." - JBP [01:18:51] "The inherent problem with literalism in interpretation. The perspective of the reader creates so much of the truth in this model that they can then impose on the world around them." - JBP [01:26:20] Regarding reason and Sharia law, one group has said that Sharia indicates what's inherently right and wrong in the world. Another group, that it only creates that difference through the imposition [01:27:01] Mary's role in the Quran and Islamic tradition [01:31:29] The influence of gnostic Christian gospels on Muhammad in Mustafa's opinion. The odd state of the Jewish Christians who were accepted by neither side [01:35:16] Final questions on Jesus Christ from Christian and Muslim perspectives [01:43:35] Wrapping up _____ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 53 mins