Our conversation explores the challenges and pitfalls of the current approach to design and product development. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the user's needs and context, rather than just following best practices or relying on data. Overall, it highlights the need for a more thoughtful and intentional approach to design and product development. In this conversation, Pavel Samsonov discusses the importance of creating alignment and collaboration among different teams in order to deliver a successful product. He emphasizes the need for designers, product managers, and engineers to work together towards a shared goal and to prioritize user experience. Pavel also highlights the significance of sustainability, both in terms of environmental impact and team well-being. He shares his thoughts on the role of designers in shaping useful and usable products and the need for continuous learning and growth in the field.

Jason Bejot, a technologist and designer, shares his career journey and insights into his design process. He started as a computer scientist and transitioned into design while working at an agency. During our conversation, he emphasizes the importance of defining the problem and thinking through the potential unintended consequences of design decisions. He also discusses the resistance to considering risks and the focus on moving fast and making money in the tech industry. The conversation explores the importance of focusing on edge cases and designing for robust experiences. It emphasizes the need to prioritize risk mitigation and to handle situations when things go wrong. We discuss the significance of measuring success and understanding how well a design is working. We also share personal experiences and insights related to mental health and self-doubt. The conversation concludes with a discussion on pursuing alternative careers and the desire to let go of self-doubt in the future.