Back in October 2021, Jessica Zeller posted a tweet about a particular class session. She said her class “went everywhere” and that she already missed being in that class by later that same day. Jessica said they discussed “not passing down our own pedagogically-induced trauma; the problem with ideals; ego, power, & responsibility; how words shape students' feelings about their bodies; & pedagogic optimism.”

Hear Jessica’s take on the inherent optimism of teaching, what we could all learn from ballet pedagogy, and the benefits of ungrading, regardless of content area.

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