In August 2021, the Digital Pedagogy Institute took place online, hosted by the University of Waterloo, University of Toronto Scarborough, Ryerson University, and Brock University. I was one of two plenary speakers at that event. The other was Hannah McGregor. Her presentation asserted that scholarly podcasts are a form of pedagogy. In this conversation, we talk about how podcasts can be positioned as scholarship, but along the way we challenge the nature of scholarly communication; analyze scholarly publication as a system; question the relationships among teaching, scholarship, and service; and imagine how un-grading principles could apply to tenure and promotion evaluations.