Joining me today is Fiona Greenland, Associate Professor of Sociology at the University of Virginia, to discuss some of her recent work on fingerprinting and the origins of surveillance culture in the United States and on pixel politics and satellite interpretation in the Syrian war. Fiona Greenland is the author of Ruling Culture: Art Police, Tomb Robbers, and the Rise of Cultural Power in Italy (2021). Articles discussed in this episode:  Greenland, F. (2022). Fingerprinting, civil codes, and the origins of surveillance culture in the United States. American Journal of Cultural Sociology.  Greenland, F. (2022). Pixel politics and satellite interpretation in the Syrian war. Media, Culture & Society.  © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2022 Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL), and under project project no. 313004 – Luxury, Corruption and Global Ethics: Towards a Critical Cultural Theory of the Moral Economy of Fraud (LUXCORE).

Joining me today are Hager Ben Jaffel, Research Associate at the National Center for Scientific Research in France and Sebastian Larsson, Associate Senior Lecturer in War Studies at the Swedish Defence University, to discuss their latest edited volume titled Problematising Intelligence Studies: Towards a New Research Agenda, published in 2022 with Routledge. © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2022   Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL), and under project project no. 313004 – Luxury, Corruption and Global Ethics: Towards a Critical Cultural Theory of the Moral Economy of Fraud (LUXCORE).

Joining me today is Mareile Kaufmann, Professor at the Department of Criminology and Sociology, at the University of Oslo, to discuss her work over the past few years on surveillance, predictive policing, hackers and secrecy, among others. Texts discussed in this podcast episode: Kaufmann, M. 2020. Hacking Surveillance. First Monday 25(5): https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/10006 Kaufmann, M. 2021. This is a Secret: Learning from Children’s Engagement With Surveillance and Secrecy. Cultural Studies ↔ Critical Methodologies. 21(5):424-437 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/15327086211029350 Kaufmann, M. 2019. Who Connects the Dots? Agents and Agency in Predictive Policing In: Hoijtink, Marijn & Leese, Matthias (eds.) Technology and Agency in International Relations. pp. 141-163. https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/oa-edit/10.4324/9780429463143-7/connects-dots-mareile-kaufmann © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2022   Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL), and under project project no. 313004 – Luxury, Corruption and Global Ethics: Towards a Critical Cultural Theory of the Moral Economy of Fraud (LUXCORE).

Joining me today is Emily West, an Associate Professor of Communication at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, to discuss her book Buy Now: How Amazon Branded Convenience and Normalized Monopoly published in 2022 with The MIT Press. © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2022   Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL), under project project no. 314486 Digital Prism and the Nordic Model of Workplace Democracy Under Pressure and under project project no. 313004 – Luxury, Corruption and Global Ethics: Towards a Critical Cultural Theory of the Moral Economy of Fraud (LUXCORE).

© Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2022 Joining me today is Sarah Esther Lageson, Associate Professor at School of Criminal Justice at the Rutgers University, to discuss her book Digital Punishment: Privacy, Stigma, and the Harms of Data-Driven Criminal Justice published in 2020 with Oxford University Press. Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL) and under project project no. 313004 – Luxury, Corruption and Global Ethics: Towards a Critical Cultural Theory of the Moral Economy of Fraud (LUXCORE).

Joining me today is Albert Fox Cahn, the founder and executive director of the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.) to discuss the work of this non-profit advocacy organization and legal service provider based in New York.  © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2022   Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL) and under project project no. 313004 – Luxury, Corruption and Global Ethics: Towards a Critical Cultural Theory of the Moral Economy of Fraud (LUXCORE).

Joining me today is Sarah Brayne, Assistant Professor at the Department of Sociology at the University of Texas at Austin, to discuss her book Predict and Surveil: Data, Discretion, and the Future of Policing published in 2020 with Oxford University Press. © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2021   Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL).

Joining me today is Kate Kenny, Professor of Business and Society at NUI Galway School of Business and Economics, to discuss her book Whistleblowing: Toward a New Theory published in 2019 with Harvard University Press. © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2021 Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313004 – Luxury, Corruption and Global Ethics: Towards a Critical Cultural Theory of the Moral Economy of Fraud (LUXCORE).

Joining me today is Sun-ha Hong, Assistant Professor of Communication at Simon Fraser University, to discuss his latest book Technologies of Speculation: The Limits of Knowledge in a Data-Driven Society published in 2020 with New York University Press. © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2021   Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL).

Joining me today is Catherine L. Besteman, Francis F. Bartlett and Ruth K. Bartlett Professor of Anthropology at Colby College, to discuss her latest book Militarized Global Apartheid published in 2020 with Duke University Press. © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2021   Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL).

Joining me today is Ursula Rao, Director of the Department of ‘Anthropology of Politics and Governance’ at the Max Planck Institute for Social Anthropology in Halle, to discuss digital identities, biometric technology, e-governance, new security regimes and bodies as evidence.  Rao, U. 2018. Biometric Bodies, Or How to Make Electronic Fingerprinting Work in India. Body & Society 24(3): 68-94. Rao, U. 2019. Population Meets Database: Aligning Personal, Documentary and Digital Identity in Aadhaar-Enabled India. South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies 42(3): 537-553. Rao, U. & Nair, V. 2019. Aadhaar: Governing with Biometrics. South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies. 42(3): 469-481. Maguire, M., Rao, U., & Zurawski, N. 2018. Bodies as Evidence: Security, Knowledge and Power. Duke University Press. © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2021   Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL).

Joining me today is Dean Wilson, Professor of Criminology in the School of Law, Politics and Sociology at the University of Sussex to discuss pre-crime and pre-emptive imaginaries, predictive policing, and surveillance. We discuss the book Pre-Crime: Pre-emption, Precaution and the Future, co-authored with Jude McCulloch, and published by Routledge in 2016, as well as some of Wilson’s recent work on platform policing.  © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2021   Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL).

Joining me today are Simon Egbert, Postdoctoral Fellow at Bielefeld University, on an ERC research project on The Future of Prediction, and Matthias Leese, Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies (CSS) in Zürich, to discuss their recent book Criminal Futures: Predictive Policing and Everyday Police Work, published in 2021 with Routledge. The book is available to download open-access here. Today we discuss predictive policing and the ways in which it is transforming police work. Police departments across the globe are embracing algorithmic techniques to support decision-making through risk assessments and predictions based on big data and real-time analytics, utilizing tools such as facial recognition. Silicon Valley’s ‘technological solutionism’, to use Evgeny Morozov’s concept, has been making its way into law enforcement agencies across the globe, promising to smoothly, efficiently and effortlessly anticipate, predict, and control (future) criminal behaviour and deviance. But predictive policing has met with resistance from civil society and academics alike. Even though data-driven predictions and algorithmic risk assessments are sold by tech developers as ‘neutral’ and ‘objective’ forms of ‘evidence’ and ‘intelligence’ – because technological – as something ‘solid’ and ‘hard’ in ‘liquid times,’ critical social scientists tend to know better. What counts as data and how it is collected, what is included and what excluded, all this reflects historical, representational, cultural, gender, and other inequalities and biases. Prejudices about criminality of certain groups can be built into crime data, resulting in their reinforcement, rather than dispelling. We increasingly read about systems trained on biased and ‘dirty’ data, about ‘rogue algorithms’, and ‘algorithmic injustice’ and violations of human rights and civil liberties. As Cathy O’Neil put it, algorithms can create ‘a pernicious feedback loop’, where ‘policing itself spawns new data, which justifies more policing’ (O’Neil 2016: 87). Last year, acting on these insights, the city of Santa Cruz in California, one of the earlierst adopters of predictive policing, became the first US city to ban the use of predictive technologies in policing. Calls for ethical, transparent and explainable AI are emerging both from within computer science, law and social sciences, and from policymakers and civil society. It is clear that both the development and adoption of these technologies does not happen in a cultural, political or economic vacuum. In many countries, for instance, police forces are experiencing financial cuts, increasing pressures to outsource certain tasks to private actors, often accompanied by organizational reform. Demands on response time, results, performance, and efficiency are increasing, while resources may be shrinking, thus structurally creating a market for a wide range of optimization tools for police work. Simon Egbert and Matthias Leese have studied predictive policing, the datafication of security and the transformation of police work ethnographically in Germany and Switzerland. In this podcast, we discuss in detail the reality behind the sleek commercials for predictive policing software tools that promise to forecast crime and control futures. Are we headed towards a dystopian society of total surveillance, social sorting, and control or a utopia of a perfectly optimized police force? What futures lie ahead for predictive policing and what will the police force of the future look like? Text © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2021 Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL).

Joining me today is Ignas Kalpokas, Associate Professor at the Department of Public Communication at the Vytautas Magnus University in Lithuania, to discuss his recent book Algorithmic Governance: Politics and Law in the Post-Human Era, published in 2019 with Palgrave Macmillan. Algorithms govern our everyday lives in a myriad of ways. From determining what information and news we see, which commercials target us, to deciding if we are creditworthy, whether we get a chance to be hired, or, as in the case of many platform workers, whether we get fired. We are rated, and we rate others, we build behavioral nudges into our technologies, to optimize the Other, and we keep tracking and optimizing ourselves. Big data, with their promise of data-driven and real-time decision making, are transforming the ways in which we govern our societies and ourselves. Surveillance, monitoring and self-policing, have become ubiquitous. Shoshana Zuboff speaks of the age of surveillance capitalism, where data is the new oil and where futures are monetized. Cathy O´Neill has been warning of the dangers of these “weapons of math destruction” built on ‘dirty data’ and driven by concrete political and economic interests, pointing to the consequences of their mass deployment, such as the emergence of new forms of inequalities and reinforcement of old ones, and proliferation of new forms of algorithmic injustice. The covid-19 pandemic has been managed by governments worldwide through often extreme, ad hoc, and unpredictable measures, further revealing the underlying logic of algorithmic governance, where techno-optimism merges with technocracy. Relying on real-time data, statistical modelling of possible futures, and on the seductive aesthetics of purity and simplicity of the endless graphs, numbers and risk predictions, new regulations and prohibitions are imposed and others withdrawn on a continual basis. As I see it, this form of governance profoundly unsettles our traditional conceptions of the law and legal frameworks. It results in law that is personalized – much like a targeted commercial – granting access to certain goods for some, while restricting access to others and a legal landscape that is dynamic, and hence to far greater degree unpredictable. This creates further existential insecurities and anxieties in a world, rather paradoxically, hyper-focused on security and securitization of all there is, including health. In my view, this results in a short-term technocratic evidence-based and expert-driven politics – or rather the absence of politics proper. Ignas, your book unpacks precisely this underlying logic of algorithmic governance, analyzing the meanings of politics and law in what you deem the post-human era. In this conversation, Ignas and me discuss the logic of algorithms and the ways in which they are transforming politics and law, resulting in a hybridization of governance.   “Algorithmic governance—the increasingly prevalent form of governance in this digital world—is characterised by its tackling of problems through ‘their effects rather than their causation’: Instead of disentangling the multiplicity of causal relationships and getting to the root of every matter, this form of governance is intent on collecting as much data as possible in order to establish robust correlations; in other words, instead of decoding underlying essences, this mode of governance works by way of establishing connections, patterns, and, no less crucially, predictions. … This attitude that prides itself on replacing causes with trends also has the effect of altering the place of human persons, effectively objectifying and commodifying them, turning them into data generators where the data footprint is all that matters and is taken for the person.” (Kalpokas 2019: 2). Kalpokas, Ignas. 2019. Algorithmic Governance: Politics and Law in the Post-Human Era. Cham: Palgrave Macmillan. Text © Tereza Østbø Kuldova, 2021 Produced with the financial support of The Research Council of Norway under project no. 313626 – Algorithmic Governance and Cultures of Policing: Comparative Perspectives from Norway, India, Brazil, Russia, and South Africa (AGOPOL).