In this podcast episode, Brian Lee and Wayne Dicky discuss the importance of meeting the needs of incarcerated individuals and how our assumptions about rule-breaking can hinder effective management. They emphasize that sometimes people break rules to survive, and it's essential to create an environment that addresses those underlying needs. The conversation touches on the concept of direct supervision, highlighting that it's more than just a floor plan—it's a management philosophy and approach to treating and managing people. They also introduce the idea of strategic inmate management (SIM), which combines direct supervision principles and inmate behavior management (IBM) elements. SIM focuses on using the available tools and resources to manage behavior effectively regardless of the physical layout of the facility. The discussion also addresses the mindset of building minimum-security jails and the importance of creating engaging environments with structured activities to prevent property damage and maintain cleanliness. Wayne Dicky shares examples of transitioning from intermittent supervision to proactive supervision and the positive impact it had on inmate behavior. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the significance of considering inmates' needs, implementing effective management philosophies, and promoting a positive culture within correctional facilities.