In 2019, when U.S. relations with Iran were at a low point, a non-governmental group called The Richardson Center mediated a prisoner swap between the two countries that brought home Xiyue Wang, a Chinese American graduate student.  Mickey Bergman, the group’s vice president and executive director, helped direct the talks. He describes the negotiation on this episode. We want to hear from you! To fill out our 2021 listener survey, go to survey.fan/foreignpolicy.com